"If you have a neighbor or a loved one who has joined ICE, it's time to either get them out or turn them in.
Let's put names to these masked oppressors. Law Enforcement Officers (unless they're undercover) can NOT be anonymous.
If you're anonymous, you're not part of defending our communities. You're a part of a secret police force working for the bad guys."
Well, this sounds like a call for vigilantes to step up and take matters into their own hands.
It also sounds like someone who isn't paying attention the the masked "protesters" all over the news, nor to the ANTIFA types, or who only wants to hold one side accountable.
Craig...
ReplyDeleteWell, this sounds like a call for vigilantes to step up and take matters into their own hands.
1. Well, it's literally NOT that.
2. It's literally a recognition that, IF we remain a free Republic with actual law, there will come a time when the current Felon is gone and no longer be around to protect or pardon the oppressors in ICE and many ICE "enforcers" will be outed and held accountable by courts of law, just like "only following orders" Nazis were held accountable. IF you care about ICE enforcers, get them out while there's time. And if not, IDENTIFY them. Free nations don't have secret police squads with hidden identities.
3. This is part of the problem with being so siloed in groups that think your way. For oppressors and abusers and vigilante types, you might assume identifying people is for the abusing the secret police. For advocates of peace, justice and a free Republic, the point is to hold people accountable in courts of law.
What happened to law and order, Don't Tread on Me types of conservatives who would be appalled by such a secret police state?
1. Well, if you claim that calling for people to doxx federal law enforcement and to disassociate from family members just because of their jobs, isn't calling for people to be vigilantes... Because we have no idea of what would possibly happen if people like you doxx those in federal law enforcement, do we?
Delete2. That's quite a conspiracy theory based on some wild and random supposition. But I appreciate you attempting to equate federal law enforcement with NAZIs, It'll be helpful when some of the peace loving folx on your side kill a few of them because people like you set the tone.
3. Coming from someone who is who is so siloed that nothing contrary to your narrative gets in, this is hilarious. Strangely enough, I'm right here, and I have lots of interaction with people on both sides of this issue. The problem with your call for vigilantism is that for people to be "held accountable in a court of law" they have to have committed a crime, AND sometimes being "held accountable" means that they get acquitted.
As there is no "secret police state", I simply refuse to join your delusional conspiracy theories.
The problem with you (now) appealing to "law and order" is that your side has been ignoring it for so long and pretending that the trail of victims of your party's policies doesn't exist.
I am all for charging and prosecuting law enforcement for climes they commit, I'm also for not allowing people with multiple felonies be set free even with an ICE detainer. I'm also for holding people responsible for their own individual actions.
But if your little insurrectionist, vigilante, ass needs to feel good about yourself through whiny FB posts go right ahead.
It's not like you'll show up here to act on what you demand that other's do.
It's vitally important to remember that Dan is an abject moron or dedicate liar for the cause of marxism and perversion. Only such would continually choose to label a clearly wrongly convicted man as a "felon" as if the purpose of his trial wasn't to achieve at least that ability. Thus, while technically convicted, Trump is factually not guilty of any felony at all and thus, to constantly call him a felon is slander and Dan is thus a slanderer. He doesn't get a pass to slander justbecause a kangaroo court falsely convicted Trump.
ReplyDeleteICE is not an "oppressive" department by doing their lawful duty any more than any other law enforcement department. But terms like "insurrectionist", "anarchist", "criminals", and the like are accurate in their application to those like Dan who pretend ICE is doing something unethical, illegal or contrary to the Constitution just because those like Dan care more for illegal invaders than his own fellow citizens.
ICE is not "anonymous". They're uniforms are clearly marked as "ICE" and no one needs any further specifics about those wearing those uniforms after threatening those officers and their families simply because they were doing their righteous jobs of arresting illegals and deporting them. Thugs like Dan have no business doing such or recommending others harass them at all times, and they certainly have justification, morally or legally, to do so.
The methods now being employed by ICE in blue states and cities were provoked by those running those states and cities as well as by the criminal antics of those like Dan, who unlike Dan, got out there and got in the way. And if people like Dan die because they were stupid enough to obstruct justice while justice was being served upon illegal aliens, their blood is on their own heads, not on ICE or Trump. FAFO.
I'm not going to bother going through Dan's Blog of Lies and Perversion Archives, but I've no doubt he never did a single post criticizing empty suit Obama for deporting illegals using the same Tom Homan now in Trump's employ. Thus, we once again see that those like Dan don't give a flying rat's ass about illegal aliens, law enforcement, women being raped and murdered, morons dying while obstructing justice. No. It's about his embrace grace hatred of Donald Trump, and how lefties cause problems and them blame others for the consequences.
It's even more important to remember that Dan is almost completely talk and almost zero action. That the likelihood of Dan going outside of his little, liberal, silo in the small(ish) metro of Louisville is very small. So this is someone who talks a good game, but isn't going to risk himself to get in the game.
DeleteThat Dan is unaware (by choice) of the fact that ICE unobtrusively does it's job in jurisdictions across the country without any of the shenanigans we see in MSP, undercuts Dan's premise would be a problem to most. But not Dan. The fact that Jacob Frey continues to insist that MPD will not turn violent felons over to ICE in the controlled, safe, way everyone else does is ignored. (Ditto for the urban core counties/cities) The fact that ICE is enforcing the same laws, using the same tools and procedures, and the same justification that led them to deport millions under Clinton and P-BO (with @50 more shootings during P-BO alone), is also lost on Dan. The hold of the narrative is powerful.
As you note ICE is always identified as ICE on their clothing/vests, so that is one lie dealt with. As for "masks", 1. It's freaking cold outside, 2. We've seen what happens when the ASPL gets information about one of the "NAZIs" (accurate or not), and it is completely reasonable to want to protect family members from danger. 3. The "protesters" are also wearing masks. Do they deserve some greater level of secrecy beyond ICE agents?
Again, if MSP and Hennepin/Ramsey counties would simply play by the rules that the rest of MN plays by (Including the state of MN) we would not be seeing these tactics being necessary. It's really that simple. We have (basically) 4 governmental units who refuse to be part of the solution, and are therefore part of the problem.
I suspect, if pressed, that Dan will do his usual move where he claims to have abhorred P-BO and Clinton's combined 16 years mass deportations and the endless series of video clips from every major DFL leader (including Barry Sanders) literally agreeing with Trump's current policies. The simple fact is that the current immigration policies were entirely mainstream and bipartisan until Trump. Dan will, absent even a shred of proof, claim that he hated the policies back then, even though he voted for P-BO twice (and likely for Clinton at least once). We'll go back and search his blogs and (likely) find that that he said nothing about this topic or if he did that he soft pedaled it.
One bit of nonsense, amongst all the nonsense comments above:
ReplyDeleteThat the likelihood of Dan going outside of his little, liberal, silo in the small(ish) metro of Louisville
Minneapolis population, < 500,000.
Louisville population, 1 million plus.
We're not NYC, but we're in the top 20-ish of large US cities.
As to which protests I attend (attend, as opposed to support in other ways) is a matter of time management. Contrary to the lying nonsense claims of this felonious administration, we are not paid agitators. We have jobs, families, churches and other responsibilities. We have to balance our time and be strategic. Some 6-12 of my colleagues from Louisville HAVE gone to Minneapolis, including some of our clergy.
Unfortunately, due to the chaotic onslaught of this actually deviant administration, we have to prioritize what we tackle and when.
Rest assured, the decent moral progressives of our nation ARE stepping up and will continue to do so. We are not obligated to jump through any of your imaginary hoops.
Dan always has an excuse for himself.
Delete"DECENT MORAL" progressives would, first of all, not be "progressives". But that aside, it is not decent or moral to commit felonies on the premise that the laws they break are immoral, when they are absolutely not.
DeleteDan speaks of "we", as if he involves himself in these acts of terror against law-enforcement. That's pretty funny. But then, I said "WE" when the Bears beat the Packers, so...
Getting back to the laughable notion of "decent, moral progressives", yes...they most certainly do have to "jump" through the ACTUAL hoops of the law, which denies them to do more than march with signs a safe distance from on going ICE operations.
I meant to, but don't know if I actually did, post the following from Robert Gagnon. The cowardly posturing GOP former gubernatorial primary candidate isn't the purpose of posting it. Gagnon's presentation of Justice Kavanaugh's explanation of what ICE can do is worthy posting again in any case. It's clearly relevant for any post regarding immigration violations.
I find it strange when Dan announces himself (which is really what he "we" means) to be decent an moral.
DeleteDan wants the cachet of being on the front lines of the struggle, but seems full of excuses as to why he's not.
I’ll desl with the rest of the idiocy later but I can’t let Dan’s lie stand.
ReplyDeleteLouisville city population about 625,000
Minneapolis about 500,000
Louisville metro just over 1 million
Twin Cities metro is between 3.5 and 4 million.
I’ll note that Dan dishonestly compared apples to oranges.
As if his lie was some major own.
Media market, Louisville is 49th, MSP 15/16 th.
But it’s a cute flex.
Craig:
ReplyDeleteif you claim that calling for people to doxx federal law enforcement and to disassociate from family members just because of their jobs, isn't calling for people to be vigilantes.
I didn't tell people to disassociate from family members. I said they should try to save them. Sometimes, trying to save them is holding them accountable.
I'll say it again: Police officers and immigration officers ought NOT be secret agents with a hidden face and no accountability. That is just a recipe for abuse.
As we have seen.
When the Democrats resume power again, will you want THEM to operate by your literal Felon's standards? Mocking the dead, blaming shooting victims for their own killing, accusing representatives - with NO PROOF - of arranging their own attack, sending masked, armed agents acting in a violent and abusive manner into churches and conservative settings making arrests without warrants?
This is nazi police state tactics.
Again, what happened to anti-authoritarian conservatives?
Sure, "get them out" couldn't possibly mean to "get them out" or your family, or friend group.
DeleteAgain, with the "no accountability" lie. The accountability process for LE is just that, a process. It's not jumping to conclusions and demanding that they be convicted. They are being held accountable, and those in the positions to do so are fully aware of their names. That you are not aware of information that you have no need to have at this point, is just your narcissism showing through.
I see no reason to dignify your paranoid fantasies with the attention you desperately seem to crave.
I'll simply note that the current administration is employing the same process, under the same legal justification as did P-BO and Clinton.
When you have to resort to lies, it's clear that you have nothing, and it'd probably be better for you to say nothing and be thought a fool...
So far the only people "entering churches" and acting in a violent, abusive, and threatening manner" are on your side.
Your ignorance of the law and legal process continues to amaze me given how you try to speak authoritatively about it. A "warrant" is not requited to arrest someone for committing a crime.
Dan's arguments rely on intentional distortion. When he uses terms like "nazi tactics", he's already judged them as guilty of some evil. And worse, it comes after the fact of the felonious obstruction by his "decent moral progressives", all of whom should placed under arrest. One can't accuse LE of unethical or illegal behaviors when they're trying to navigate around unethical and illegal behaviors of "decent moral progressives".
DeleteAs to Louisville/Minneapolis, I literally just googled them and cited what popped up:
ReplyDelete"Minneapolis's population is around 427,000 to 429,000, with a recent estimate for July 2024 at approximately 428,579, making it Minnesota's largest city, though recent figures show slight fluctuation from the 2020 Census count of 429,954."
"The Louisville-Jefferson County metro area has a population of approximately 1.39 million to 1.4 million, making it the largest city in Kentucky and a major regional hub. The city has experienced consistent growth, with over 55,000 new residents added in the past decade"
Perhaps your confusion is that Louisville and Jefferson County used to be separate entities. But they merged a long time ago and Louisville/Jefferson County are all one place.
If there's a mistake, I'm just reporting the first responses that popped up.
Looking into it further, Wikipedia reports Louisville's population as 630,000, the 27th largest in the US.
Wikipedia reports that Minneapolis' population as 430,000 and says it's 46th largest in the US.
Look it up.
But it's not really a cute flex, you thinking you have an adult ability to understand the written word.
Any chance for an acknowledgement of your mistake, and an apology for your abusive words?
That, or better data?
There was no confusion on my part. MSP is 3,5-4 times more populous than the greater Louisville metro area.
DeleteMaybe your extensive JUCO education skipped measuring by media market size.
But sure 49th is way bigger than 16th.
Still not the flex you think it is. If you go apples to apples and don’t cherry pick your comparison.
No apology, no mistake, no abuse. Just apples to apples comparison. 3.5-4 million to 1.1 million. 16th to 49th. It’s not that hard if you try just a bit.
DeleteCraig, crazily said:
ReplyDeleteAs there is no "secret police state", I simply refuse to join your delusional conspiracy theories.
They LITERALLY are masked. We LITERALLY don't know who they are. In the case of the killing of Pretti, we STILL don't know the names of the killers. That is a complete lack of transparency.
Here's a hint for actual heroes: IF your behavior is not oppressive and atrocious, YOU DON'T have to hide your face like a little coward. Almost certainly, most of these members of the Felon's secret police are cowardly little boys who only feel strong if they have a gun and hide behind anonymity and a mask and the authorization to use it from a literal Felon.
This is vulgar, pathetic, authoritarian cowardice at its worse. These are NOT good, strong helpers. That would be Pretti and Good.
Open your eyes. Save yourselves.
Dan's being an asshole. The reasons for ICE masking up has been stated multiple times and it has nothing to do with whether or not their actions are righteous or not. Between the weather and climate (the cold and the assholes obstructing justice respectively) the masks are essential. They don't mind if the law-abiding know their faces and names. They mind assholes doxing them, harassing them and their families, enduring death threats and physical attacks by those who know who they are after they punch out and stop for milk and bread on the way home. They are victims of the assholes so typical of the disgrace embracing "decent moral progressives. They point their assholery toward those who are ridding our streets of some really bad people, as well as others who have no right to be in this country, though I'm beginning to feel some of them have far more right to be here than Dan and other "decent moral progressive" assholes.
DeleteThis obsession with unmasking only one group is bizarre. But, I have a solution. Let's make it illegal for anyone in the US to wear any covering over their face in public. Problem solved.
DeleteWhere exactly in US law is the part that mandates that Dan be given the name of every single person who's name he desires? Is it not the responsibility of the government to deal with those who are involved in these types of situation? Are they not "innocent until proven guilty"? What possible good comes from broadcasting the names of people before they are at least charged with a crime? Do we regularly broadcast the names of innocent people before they are charged?
If simply being "masked" is so horrible, you'd be bitching about the mask wearing protesters, but you're not.
Apparently Dan is unaware of the risks involved to those in LE or the military (and their families) if they are identified publicly.
My eyes are open, I use my open eyes to get information from many sources, and I don't hysterically jump on any conspiracy theories that fit my narrative.
Finally, I can't imagine you bleating hysterically about any of this when P-BO was in office.
Y'all are dangerous, delusional cowards and defenders of an obviously increasingly authoritarian state - and of a corrupt and criminal conman who is clearly building his own secret police force... and YOU are his enablers. You and people like you, the maga minority trying to implement white nationalism/christian nationalism in a formerly free nation.
ReplyDeleteSince you can't admit seeing the obvious, here is the cold-blooded killing, calmply dispassionately broke down to show you clearly who are the dangerous ones - and it isn't Pretti and the protesters/ICE observers.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010668660/new-video-analysis-reveals-flawed-and-fatal-decisions-in-shooting-of-pretti.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwY2xjawPod8dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEey4nqMN_4tadT8kjLEjl-DspU78Spv8AdCvDHU8S4wih4644Qa94NcsjjBhk_aem_LUZJWXmFwPLFanMcLKVTtw
I was under the impression that decisions were made mentally, that the brain reacts to stimulus and that action follows decision. This seems to imply that we can reverse engineer actions and from those actions determine what the decision making process was with a high degree of accuracy.
DeleteThat you'll cling to anything, no matter how ridiculous, to bolster your narrative and stoke your anger is concerning.
That this witchcraft isn't infallible, or likely admissible in court.
Again, there is an established legal standard by which officer involved shootings are investigated. This process is being completed right now. In the case of Pretti we are seeing an investigation by the state of MN which is admittedly hostile to the officers and where the Governor and AG have already tried to tips the scales of justice.
"a corrupt and criminal conman who is clearly building his own secret police force.."
DeleteCan you say, "wild conspiracy theorist"?
If Dan tried he could become his very own left wing "Q" and spin conspiracy theories for all his buddies.
DeleteAlso, NONE OF THIS HAPPENED DURING OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION. Obama did NOT declare war on the American people. Yes, from our point of view, he made many mistakes regarding immigrants, and that IS one level of wrong. THIS, this is a whole other level of wrong that goes from merely awful, bad, harmful policies (from both Obama and the Felon), to a more authoritarian state under your authoritarian leader.
ReplyDeleteDon't be a useful idiot. You're comparing apples and rotten oranges rolled in shit. Open your eyes. History will judge you. Your children will judge you. Decades from now when you and I are both gone, your descendants will ask shamefully, in horrified tones, "Did Grandpa Craig REALLY support an abusive, criminal authoritarian... and voted for him THREE times?? WHY??"
Trump hasn't "declared war on the American people", if anything it's more accurate to say that various governmental leaders in MSP are engaged in actively aiding and abetting illegal aliens with extensive criminal records evade federal law enforcement. The DIFFERENCE between what is happening now and what happened during the P-BO administration is that this "sanctuary city" bullshit wasn't a thing, the DFL supported deporting criminal illegal aliens, and local LE cooperated with ICE. The ONLY difference between then and now is the lack of cooperation from some cities and counties. IF Trump is "declaring war...", why is it limited to two counties in MN? Why is the rest of MN/the rest of the country not being "invaded"? Why here, and only here? I bet y'all have a few illegal aliens who've committed serious crimes and who should be deported down there. Yet, I don't see you out attacking and interfering with the safe, peaceful, lawful transfer of these scum to ICE custody. The ONLY reason why ICE is tracking people down on the streets of MSP, is because we have "leaders" who refuse to work with federal law enforcement.
DeleteI'm on the freaking ground as we speak, I am getting ready to go to South MPLS and into the epicenter of it all. This fantasy you have about "jackbooted thugs" taking over is bullshit. The vast majority of people up here are living their normal lives. It's a relatively small number, aided by the cities and counties, that are causing problems. It's not ICE that is destroying private property, and engaging in unlawful assemblies.
When I have time I'll post the story, but the MPLS city government just let an illegal alien out of jail after killing one innocent and wounding another, instead of turning him over to ICE. This guy on the streets doesn't make MPLS safer, and it's an FU to the regular, law abiding, citizens.
You've brought out all of the best of your old, idiotic, childish cliches and faux moral superiority.
"Grandpa, did you really support policies and a political party that was allowing criminals illegal aliens to walk the streets freely, instead of following the law and transferring custody to ICE?"
I have to say that it is amusing when you run out of anythng substantive and are left with just this kind of ad hom garbage and telling lies.
"Obama did NOT declare war on the American people."
ReplyDeleteThe moment he spoke of "fundamentally transforming America", he declared war on us.
None of this happened during Obama's time because "decent moral progressives" chose not to obstruct during that time. The sheep didn't oppose anything Obama did and still don't.
Deporting illegals was one Obama policy which was not a mistake. Dan is a mistake.
Marshal...
ReplyDeleteThe moment he spoke of "fundamentally transforming America", he declared war on us.
What Obama ACTUALLY said, in context:
we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.
"In five days, you can
turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility
on Wall Street
before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street.
In five days, you can choose
policies that invest in our middle class,
and create new jobs,
and grow this economy,
so that everyone has a chance to succeed,
not just the CEO,
but the secretary and janitor,
not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."
So, he CLEARLY was literally saying that he wanted to transform the US to a place that invested in the poor and working class, where it was not ONLY the rich who were getting richer.
So, Marshal, by "war on US," are you suggesting that you are part of the wealthy class and apart from the working class US that Obama was defending?
Because Trump et al don't give a damned about you. If you're thinking THEY are the ones who are concerned about the poor and working class, well, more proof that you're a useful idiot for your own abusers.
Also, do you think that creating policies that empower and aid the poor and working class is somehow a "war on the US..."??
Daft is as daft does, I guess.
That's funny, because my life has been improved by Trump's presidency, not in any way by either Obama's or Biden's. The stats and data confirm that, as do my personal financial situation.
DeleteIt's not the flowery speech that tells the tale about Obama's intentions. And none of what he claimed in your emboldened quote came to pass in any significant way which enhances life for the every day American, if it enhanced life at all. Note the massive increase in the cost of healthcare by Obama "turning the page".
You're a moron, Dan. A hateful, bigoted disgrace embracer. And as a moron, you're just another useful idiot for the marxist cause.
The difference is that Dan’ll believe and huckster who says the things that align with Dan’s hunches. Then when that huckster deports millions, has ICE agents shoot over 50 people, engages in large numbers of drone strikes, and kills US citizens in a drone strike, he just stays silent.
DeleteMarshal...
ReplyDeletebecause my life has been improved by Trump's presidency, not in any way by either Obama's or Biden's. The stats and data confirm that, as do my personal financial situation.
And yet, what you stupidly, falsely SAID was that Obama declared war on the US.
There is a chasm of distinction between, "Oh, I didn't care for Obamas policies and opinions... I don't feel like he helped me enough..." and "He declared WAR!"
Of course, he didn't.
The distinction, then, is that the Felon's actions have resulted in deaths, beatings, imprisonment and threats to US citizens and residents vs, "awww, but i didn't LIKE him!"
You lied.
Neither has Trump, so you lied.
DeleteI didn't lie. Obama's intentions were to subvert, eradicate or alter the Constitution for which he had no respect or understanding. That's war given our military swears an oath to defend the Constitution. That he didn't arm up like a B-movie villain shows what a simpleton you are.
DeleteIf Trump has declared war, it's on those like your kind who is and has been destroying our nation and its culture for the last sixty years or more. That's why you hate him. You prefer marxism. We prefer America.
In the Jim Crow South, it took nearly 5,000 killings by the police and their kkkallies and 80 years before the South broke and enough of the defenders of the official police/allies war on US citizens caused enough of those good ol 'mericans to realize that war must end.
ReplyDeleteOr do you think THAT wasn't a war, either? That NO ONE would have been hurt if they just complied with the bosses?
There's a good question. Were the political leaders of the South at war against the US during Jim Crow? WHAT needs to happen before you are compelled to call something a war?
Given that you and your ilk insist that war must be declared by congress, the short answer based on your position is no.
DeleteThat eradication of the democrat party’s hold on government in the south was a law enforcement issue, not a war. The war ended in 1865, it took over a hundred years to root out the democrats after the war ended.
That LBJ decided to buy the votes of blacks is an entirely different matter.
The problem with your hunch is that “The Bosses” were breaking the law, not the protesters.
It’s a stupid question, but no. It has to actually be a war. Do you really not know what a war is?
The similaritity to the two situations is that one side was intent on violating federal law and the federal government was trying to enforce federal law.
DeleteFortunately the current federal law has been in force for decades, was enforced by administrations of both parties (until recently) and withstood legal challenges.
That no one on the left has even attempted to change the law through legislative means, but merely decided to ignore the law, speaks volumes about the loss of any moral high ground.
That's funny. Dan's comparing to Trump to his kind now.
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