Friday, January 17, 2020

ROI

Planned Parenthood invests $45 million in electing DFL candidates in 2020, hoping to continue on the government dole to the tune of $500 million a year in government handouts.

I guess that asking why you get government handouts when you’ve got $45 million to puss away is probably in bad taste.    Probably shouldn’t ask if there’s any quid pro quo or paying for votes involved either.

But, that’s quite an ROI.

18 comments:

Dan Trabue said...

It's a Planned Parenthood PAC not Planned Parenthood themselves. FYI.

Craig said...

And PP had absolutely no financial connection to the PAC that uses their name. Makes perfect sense.

The point still stands, if they’ve got $45 million to spend on elections, why are they on the government dole?

Dan Trabue said...

? Some people give to PP because they want to support those services. OTHER people (maybe some of the same, maybe some others, I don't know) give to the PP PAC because they want the laws to stay open for abortion procedures. It's a different group (if affiliated) for a different cause (if affiliated).

The point stands: Planned Parenthood does not HAVE that $45 million, the PAC does. It's a separate group, so, your "point" does NOT stand. Where you say "If they've got $45 million..." That's just the point... they DON'T have that money. It's not like people are giving to PP and then PP created this separate PAC and gave them that $45 million. The money was given to the separate PAC, which is its own distinct entity.

I know nothing about PP or their PAC in particular, I'm just noting that, in general, such PACs are separate legal entities for a separate purpose.

Craig said...

Unfortunately the point does stand. If they’ve got donors willing to invest $45 million in order to get “non profit” welfare to the tune of 1/2 billion taxpayer dollars, they don’t need the full half billion. Further, it’s essentially a quid pro quo. We’ll donate money to keep getting you elected, as long as you don’t turn off the taxpayer money spigot.

Look, I know it’s one of your sacred cows, and everyone who cares knows that PP could get along just fine without half a billion from the taxpayers, so it’s understandable that you’ll defend the status quo here.

Marshal Art said...

"Although a tax-exempt, nonprofit, Planned Parenthood is involved in federal campaigns through three national committees: the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which is registered with the IRS as a 501(c)(4), a social welfare organization that is allowed to engage in some political activity; Planned Parenthood Action Fund PAC, which is a political action committee registered with the Federal Election Commission; and Planned Parenthood Votes, a super PAC also registered with the FEC."

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/05/planned-parenthood-2/

Talk about "fungible"!! To pretend these PACs aren't closely linked to PP is ludicrous.

Craig said...

Like I said, it’s a good ROI, if donating $45 million to candidates guarantees you $500 million in the equivalent of corporate welfare, why wouldn’t you? It’s a no lose situation, except for those who get aborted.

I wonder what’d happen if they took the $500 million and put it into subsidizing adoption, or on helping people with alternatives to abortion.

Craig said...

How about this. We take that $500 million and allocate $50,000 to 10,000 people who want to adopt. They get up to $25,000 to offset adoption costs and the rest goes into a 529 fund?

Marshal Art said...

A great idea. In fact, if we're going to do anything with tax dollars with regard to this issue, it should ONLY be for those looking to adopt, since there's this little thing about a 1st Amendment right to life, and perhaps even using a portion to get the pregnant woman to take the kid to term instead of aborting...paying her medical costs should she lack proper insurance (not likely these days).

Craig said...

I’m all for considering anything that would redirect PP funding towards adoption.

Dan Trabue said...

The bottom line being that people like you get to decide how to deal with pregnancy and not the people involved. Nothing like a little big white brother.

Dan Trabue said...

Also, as this article points out, Planned Parenthood Services help reduce the total number of abortions. So by fighting against Planned Parenthood, people like you are increasing not decreasing abortions. You really just need to think this through a bit more rationally and in the spirit of Grace and human Liberty and human rights, rather than despotically like a Pharisee or a tyrant.

https://www.bustle.com/p/does-planned-parenthood-reduce-abortion-rates-republicans-are-ignoring-this-key-fact-30933

Craig said...

Dan,

Of course you have no actual proof that I have ever indicated that I would like to decide anything for anyone, but reality has never been your strong suit. If you feel the need to introduce race into the discussion, then look at the reality that children of color or overwhelmingly likely to be killed than white children at PP, and the very origin of PP was designed to rid society of people of color.

If you're going to cite statistics, then using a biased source usually isn't a good idea.

As PP's annual report for 17-18 points out, they performed more abortions than they had since 2011-2012, while their non abortion services declined.

https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/planned-parenthoods-annual-report-out-heres-what-you-need-know

Unfortunately, absolutely none of this trivia has any direct bearing on the point of the post. The point of the post is that PP gets a really nice ROI on the $45 million that they use to elect politicians, from whom they expect a quid pro quo. PP's revenue in 2018 was $1.67 billion dollars in 2018. By what possible metric does an organization with annual revenues over $1 billion and rising need over $500 million in taxpayer funded welfare?

The fact that you apparently object to the taxpayers funding adoption, instead of providing welfare for a multi billion dollar organization (which also is tax exempt). As someone who has been against welfare for large organizations previously, your (partisan) exception to this sort of taxpayer largess is out of character.

Because funding adoption rather than ending the lives of the literal "least of these" who literally define innocence, is somehow a bad thing in your warped worldview.

I'm so glad you came out of your metaphorical cave to spew this crap.



Craig said...

570,444 breast exams and pap tests, down from 617,677 in 2016-2017.
614,361 cancer screenings and prevention procedures, down from 660,777 in 2016-2017.
216,722 well-woman exams, down from 235,355 in 2016-2017.
2,620,867 provisions of birth control information and services, down from 2,701,866 in 2016-2017.
2,831 adoption referrals, down from 3,889 in 2016-2017


Almost $1.9 billion in net assets, up from $1.6 billion in 2017.
$563.8 million in taxpayer funding, up from $543.7 billion in 2017.
$1.67 billion in total revenue, up from $1.46 billion in 2017.
Almost $245 million in excess of revenue over expenses, more than double the $98.5 million reported in 2017.
$630.8 million in private contributions (including grants, individual contributors, bequests, and corporate contributors), up from $532.7 million in 2017.


If you are trying to argue that reductions in non abortion care and increases in abortion is somehow reducing abortions, you'll need to provide unbiased data.

But, and I'll repeat this, in the hopes that you'll comprehend some basic English.

THIS POST IS ONLY ABOUT THE ROI THAT PP GETS ON THE $45 MILLION THEY SPEND TRYING TO ELECT LAWMAKERS WHO WILL CONTINUE TO APPROVE INCREASES IN THE MORE THAN $500 MILLION THEY GET FROM TAXPAYERS."

It's not about anything else but the quid pro quo. Do you understand this reality?

Craig said...

Dan, if you’re unaware of what ROI means, I can help you if need it.

Marshal Art said...

Wow. Pro-abortion Guttmacher cites PP's data for pretending PP is responsible for falling abortion rates. That's hilarious.

Craig said...

Yeah, Guttmacher isn’t really an unbiased organization.

Craig said...

With The caveat that I don’t believe that the federal government should be double subsidizing abortion providers. I’d find the subsidy slightly less problematic if it was half a billion to a variety of organizations, not simply choosing one to receive this largesse because they invest the most out in legislators willing to accept the quid pro quo.

Craig said...

“The reality today is that the Democratic Party, hounded by abortion extremists, is deep in the pockets of the pro-choice lobby,” Day said. “As much as today’s candidates talk about ending big money in politics, they make one major exception: the family planning and abortion lobby, a $3 billion industry that pads the wallets of political candidates to protect its own interests.”