How is it possible that Enrique Tarrio could be sentenced to 22 years in prison, while Shannon Brandt gets only 5 years?
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According to the authorities,
"The North Dakota State Medical Examiner's Office concluded that the incident was an accident, issuing a report stating that Brandt was trying to get out of a confrontation with Ellingson when he ran him over with the 2003 Ford Explorer."
So, this is what a manslaughter charge might typically result in. On the other hand, conspiring to overthrow the government is deemed a much worse crime, and thus, has a larger penalty.
Or any of the others sentenced for Jan 6 who did no actual harm to any individual? Because Brandt wasn't acting on behalf of President Trump in any way.
Given that 5 years is lower than the recommended penalties for manslaughter, Tarrio engaged in zero violence, and the fact there this is but one example of this sort of disparity, I don't see your point. But if you want to argue that relatively peaceful protest causes more harm than killing someone, go right ahead.
If it was, it was the most inept attempt to "overthrow" an entire government ever. A couple of hundred protesters, with virtually no arms or PPE wander aimlessly around the capitol building then leave of their own accord.
There are plenty of better examples of assault on government than Jan 6. I'm unaware of any who received a sentence as over the top as Tarrio or Biggs.
Hell the folx who torched the 3rd precinct and attacked cops in MPLS with deadly weapons didn't get this much prison.
Speaking of MPLS government. Some city council woman who was all about de funding the police and the rest of that agenda get mugged and had a miraculous change of heart about the police.
The difference that you all don't get is that these people, led and inspired by Trump, TRIED to overthrow/prevent a free and legal election. It doesn't matter that these are a series of clowns and inept would-be insurrectionists, the attempt is a serious matter. THAT is why insurrection has a larger set of penalties as opposed to manslaughter.
That you all don't believe reality doesn't change reality.
That'll convince most lefties to change their mind, though the suffering they experience due to their moronic policies dictates how much suffering is required before they see their own hand in it more obviously than any attempt to accuse the other side. When you're mugged and the cops you defunded are nowhere around, that's different than paying more for milk and eggs or fuel, which they can blame on Putin or some other moronic stand-in for their own stupidity.
"The difference that you all don't get is that these people, led and inspired by Trump, TRIED to overthrow/prevent a free and legal election."
1. Trump literally did NOT encourage anyone to "overthrow the government".
2. At MOST they tried to impede one aspect of 1/4th of the three branches of government for a couple of hours.
3. The fact that you so confidently decide that you can speak for protesters and their individual motives is quite impressive.
4. They protested, did minor damage, wandered around, and left of their own accord, if that's an attempt to "overthrow the government" I have serious doubts about your discernment.
5. Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
6. According to the definition, J6 was NOT an insurrection, while the 2020 riots were. Yet you support the insurrection engaged in by the 2020 rioters.
"It doesn't matter that these are a series of clowns and inept would-be insurrectionists, the attempt is a serious matter. THAT is why insurrection has a larger set of penalties as opposed to manslaughter."
Interesting reading of the law. Their actions don't matter in the least, but Dan's hunches about their intent demand excessively harsh sentences. I guess that whole "harm" thing isn't the best measuring stick.
"That you all don't believe reality doesn't change reality."
Pot/kettle.
It's amazing that Dan is arguing that the peaceful J6 protesters deserve harsher prison sentences than those who kill other people. In 2020 we saw lawlessness take over the streets of several major cities for extended periods of time. In 2021/2022 we saw blatant attempts to threaten juries as well as SCOTUS justices to influence the results in court cases. In 2023 we see rampant looting in places like San Francisco. Yet somehow the vast majority folx who engaged in those actions managed to avoid prosecution, let alone excessive punishment.
But Dan and his ilk are out for blood when it comes to the J6 protesters. Hell, treason has always been a capitol crime, let's not waste time and just string 'em up right there in DC.
1. Trump literally did NOT encourage anyone to "overthrow the government".
The data belies your uninformed opinion. Hell, the insurrectionists SAY that they were encouraged by Trump to stop/impede the election. So, it doesn't matter what you think in your head. What matters is reality.
Understand?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437
2. At MOST they tried to impede one aspect of 1/4th of the three branches of government for a couple of hours.
Yes, that is exactly what they did, in hopes of throwing the election to the loser. According to THEM. Again, what you think in your head doesn't matter. What matters is reality.
3. The fact that you so confidently decide that you can speak for protesters and their individual motives is quite impressive.
The rioters/insurrectionists:
"“The boss of the country said, ‘People of the country, come on down, let people know what you think,’” Pezzola’s defense lawyer, Michael Scibetta, told Reuters. “The logical thinking was, ‘He invited us down.’”...
At least six of the 170 people charged in connection with the Capitol siege have tried to shift at least some of the blame onto Trump as they defend themselves in court "
Kinzinger: “whatever your politics, whatever you think about the outcome of the election, we as Americans must all agree on this. Donald Trump’s conduct on Jan. 6 was a supreme violation of his oath of office and a complete dereliction of his duty to our nation. It is a stain on our history.”
It has nothing to do with what I am saying. It's what THEY are admitting.
4. They protested, did minor damage, wandered around, and left of their own accord, if that's an attempt to "overthrow the government" I have serious doubts about your discernment.
Again, whatEVER you might think in your own little head doesn't change reality. These people HAVE been found guilty of insurrection in the real world by a fair court and a jury of their peers. Now, I GET that modern GOP like to have "alternative facts" and "conspiracy theories," but none of that changes reality.
Save yourself. Turn on the conspiracy theorists and "fake news" MAGA crowd and denounce them as the dangerous useful idiots they've become. I believe in you, Craig. You're NOT that far gone. Repent. Open your eyes, use your head and recognize reality.
There is NO conspiracy. These people really were guilty as proven in a court of law.
"Stewart Rhodes: Convicted of seditious conspiracy.
Kelly Meggs was charged with seditious conspiracy for his role during the attack.
Joe Biggs was sentenced to seventeen years in prison and Zachary Rehl was sentenced to fifteen years for seditious conspiracy.
Joshua James pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, admitting in his plea that "from November 2020 through January 2021, he conspired with other Oath Keeper members and affiliates to use force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the laws of the United States governing the transfer of presidential power."
Five members of the Proud Boys—their leader Enrique Tarrio, together with Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl, Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola—were indicted for seditious conspiracy."
That is the reality. Now, SHAME on you for your slander against the officers of the court and the members of these juries, fellow citizens doing their jobs and NOT part of some crazy conspiracy theory.
5. Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
6. According to the definition, J6 was NOT an insurrection, while the 2020 riots were. Yet you support the insurrection engaged in by the 2020 rioters.
[rolls eyes]
The ATTACK on the capitol WAS violent.
"Roughly 114 US Capitol Police officers reported injuries as a result of the attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021"
But don't let reality stop you from defending violent criminals intent on subverting a legal election.
Seriously, save yourself. Repent. Rebuke these racist thugs and criminals. Rebuke Trump for inciting them (which happened in the real world - WE ALL SAW IT ON LIVE TV). Rebuke the Marshals and Glenns of the world who are probably too far gone. Distance yourself from the crazies and admit your mistake in defending violent criminals intent on subverting our free republic.
History will remember those who defended Trump and the insurrectionists as criminals. Get on the right side of history and decency.
And of course, it's a stupidly false damned lie to say I supported any violence. To hell with that diabolical claim from the pits of hell. I GET that the modern GOP is fine with making shit up but seriously, stop it. Shame on you. Have you no decency, sir? Just stop with the stupidly overtly false claims.
God have mercy on your sad lying soul. Open your eyes. Repent. It's not too late. Save yourself.
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According to the authorities,
"The North Dakota State Medical Examiner's Office concluded that the incident was an accident, issuing a report stating that Brandt was trying to get out of a confrontation with Ellingson when he ran him over with the 2003 Ford Explorer."
So, this is what a manslaughter charge might typically result in. On the other hand, conspiring to overthrow the government is deemed a much worse crime, and thus, has a larger penalty.
Understand, now?
It's rules, laws and stuff.
Dan
Or any of the others sentenced for Jan 6 who did no actual harm to any individual? Because Brandt wasn't acting on behalf of President Trump in any way.
https://www.legaldefensemn.com/voluntary-and-involuntary-manslaughter/
https://www.findlaw.com/state/south-dakota-law/south-dakota-involuntary-manslaughter-law0.html
Given that 5 years is lower than the recommended penalties for manslaughter, Tarrio engaged in zero violence, and the fact there this is but one example of this sort of disparity, I don't see your point. But if you want to argue that relatively peaceful protest causes more harm than killing someone, go right ahead.
Dan keeps propagating the lie that there was an attempt to overthrown the government. That's the biggest lie since Jan 6th!
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/southern-california-man-pleads-guilty-after-attempting-set-fire-federal-courthouse-during
Because trying to set fire to a federal courthouse isn't an act of insurrection.
https://www.police1.com/george-floyd-protest/articles/man-sentenced-to-4-years-for-minneapolis-police-station-fire-nKd5RboPPFKRy53f/
Again, burning down a police station isn't insurrection.
Glenn,
If it was, it was the most inept attempt to "overthrow" an entire government ever. A couple of hundred protesters, with virtually no arms or PPE wander aimlessly around the capitol building then leave of their own accord.
There are plenty of better examples of assault on government than Jan 6. I'm unaware of any who received a sentence as over the top as Tarrio or Biggs.
Hell the folx who torched the 3rd precinct and attacked cops in MPLS with deadly weapons didn't get this much prison.
Speaking of MPLS government. Some city council woman who was all about de funding the police and the rest of that agenda get mugged and had a miraculous change of heart about the police.
The difference that you all don't get is that these people, led and inspired by Trump, TRIED to overthrow/prevent a free and legal election. It doesn't matter that these are a series of clowns and inept would-be insurrectionists, the attempt is a serious matter. THAT is why insurrection has a larger set of penalties as opposed to manslaughter.
That you all don't believe reality doesn't change reality.
That'll convince most lefties to change their mind, though the suffering they experience due to their moronic policies dictates how much suffering is required before they see their own hand in it more obviously than any attempt to accuse the other side. When you're mugged and the cops you defunded are nowhere around, that's different than paying more for milk and eggs or fuel, which they can blame on Putin or some other moronic stand-in for their own stupidity.
"The difference that you all don't get is that these people, led and inspired by Trump, TRIED to overthrow/prevent a free and legal election."
1. Trump literally did NOT encourage anyone to "overthrow the government".
2. At MOST they tried to impede one aspect of 1/4th of the three branches of government for a couple of hours.
3. The fact that you so confidently decide that you can speak for protesters and their individual motives is quite impressive.
4. They protested, did minor damage, wandered around, and left of their own accord, if that's an attempt to "overthrow the government" I have serious doubts about your discernment.
5. Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
6. According to the definition, J6 was NOT an insurrection, while the 2020 riots were. Yet you support the insurrection engaged in by the 2020 rioters.
"It doesn't matter that these are a series of clowns and inept would-be insurrectionists, the attempt is a serious matter. THAT is why insurrection has a larger set of penalties as opposed to manslaughter."
Interesting reading of the law. Their actions don't matter in the least, but Dan's hunches about their intent demand excessively harsh sentences. I guess that whole "harm" thing isn't the best measuring stick.
"That you all don't believe reality doesn't change reality."
Pot/kettle.
It's amazing that Dan is arguing that the peaceful J6 protesters deserve harsher prison sentences than those who kill other people. In 2020 we saw lawlessness take over the streets of several major cities for extended periods of time. In 2021/2022 we saw blatant attempts to threaten juries as well as SCOTUS justices to influence the results in court cases. In 2023 we see rampant looting in places like San Francisco. Yet somehow the vast majority folx who engaged in those actions managed to avoid prosecution, let alone excessive punishment.
But Dan and his ilk are out for blood when it comes to the J6 protesters. Hell, treason has always been a capitol crime, let's not waste time and just string 'em up right there in DC.
Art,
C'mon, don't you understand yet, there is always someone else to blame if you're on the left.
1. Trump literally did NOT encourage anyone to "overthrow the government".
The data belies your uninformed opinion. Hell, the insurrectionists SAY that they were encouraged by Trump to stop/impede the election. So, it doesn't matter what you think in your head. What matters is reality.
Understand?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437
2. At MOST they tried to impede one aspect of 1/4th of the three branches of government for a couple of hours.
Yes, that is exactly what they did, in hopes of throwing the election to the loser. According to THEM. Again, what you think in your head doesn't matter. What matters is reality.
3. The fact that you so confidently decide that you can speak for protesters and their individual motives is quite impressive.
The rioters/insurrectionists:
"“The boss of the country said, ‘People of the country, come on down, let people know what you think,’” Pezzola’s defense lawyer, Michael Scibetta, told Reuters. “The logical thinking was, ‘He invited us down.’”...
At least six of the 170 people charged in connection with the Capitol siege have tried to shift at least some of the blame onto Trump as they defend themselves in court "
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-capitol-defense/he-invited-us-accused-capitol-rioters-blame-trump-in-novel-legal-defense-idUSKBN2A219E
Fellow Republicans:
Kinzinger: “whatever your politics, whatever you think about the outcome of the election, we as Americans must all agree on this. Donald Trump’s conduct on Jan. 6 was a supreme violation of his oath of office and a complete dereliction of his duty to our nation. It is a stain on our history.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-jan-6-committee-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-the-violence
It has nothing to do with what I am saying. It's what THEY are admitting.
4. They protested, did minor damage, wandered around, and left of their own accord, if that's an attempt to "overthrow the government" I have serious doubts about your discernment.
Again, whatEVER you might think in your own little head doesn't change reality. These people HAVE been found guilty of insurrection in the real world by a fair court and a jury of their peers. Now, I GET that modern GOP like to have "alternative facts" and "conspiracy theories," but none of that changes reality.
Save yourself. Turn on the conspiracy theorists and "fake news" MAGA crowd and denounce them as the dangerous useful idiots they've become. I believe in you, Craig. You're NOT that far gone. Repent. Open your eyes, use your head and recognize reality.
There is NO conspiracy. These people really were guilty as proven in a court of law.
"Stewart Rhodes: Convicted of seditious conspiracy.
Kelly Meggs was charged with seditious conspiracy for his role during the attack.
Joe Biggs was sentenced to seventeen years in prison and Zachary Rehl was sentenced to fifteen years for seditious conspiracy.
Joshua James pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, admitting in his plea that "from November 2020 through January 2021, he conspired with other Oath Keeper members and affiliates to use force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the laws of the United States governing the transfer of presidential power."
Five members of the Proud Boys—their leader Enrique Tarrio, together with Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl, Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola—were indicted for seditious conspiracy."
That is the reality. Now, SHAME on you for your slander against the officers of the court and the members of these juries, fellow citizens doing their jobs and NOT part of some crazy conspiracy theory.
Repent, son. Save yourself.
5. Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
6. According to the definition, J6 was NOT an insurrection, while the 2020 riots were. Yet you support the insurrection engaged in by the 2020 rioters.
[rolls eyes]
The ATTACK on the capitol WAS violent.
"Roughly 114 US Capitol Police officers reported injuries as a result of the attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021"
But don't let reality stop you from defending violent criminals intent on subverting a legal election.
Seriously, save yourself. Repent. Rebuke these racist thugs and criminals. Rebuke Trump for inciting them (which happened in the real world - WE ALL SAW IT ON LIVE TV). Rebuke the Marshals and Glenns of the world who are probably too far gone. Distance yourself from the crazies and admit your mistake in defending violent criminals intent on subverting our free republic.
History will remember those who defended Trump and the insurrectionists as criminals. Get on the right side of history and decency.
And of course, it's a stupidly false damned lie to say I supported any violence. To hell with that diabolical claim from the pits of hell. I GET that the modern GOP is fine with making shit up but seriously, stop it. Shame on you. Have you no decency, sir? Just stop with the stupidly overtly false claims.
God have mercy on your sad lying soul. Open your eyes. Repent. It's not too late. Save yourself.
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