A while back I wrote about Springfield OH. It's a town of @60k residents who was gifted 20k Haitians immigrants by the Biden/Harris administration. Over the last few days we're seeing reports that the Haitians are killing and eating Canada Geese (which are protected from harm by federal law) as well as pet cats. I know that in Haiti, cats are eaten so this doesn't surprise me. We've also just had a report of a child killed by a Haitian immigrant.
One of the things about Haitian culture is that they tend to not look at the future consequences of their actions. For example, much of the country has been deforested and the trees turned into charcoal. Obviously this leads to the increased damage done by storms as the trees aren't there to stabilize the soil. So it doesn't shock me that Haitians plopped into OH with no frame of reference live as they've always lived.
I'm also not shocked that the greens aren't saying a thing about the killing of a federally protected species, and that the DFL cat ladies are likewise silent over the demise of cats.
https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1832773191976014217?s=51&t=cLq01Oy84YkmYPZ-URIMYw
Racist dude at the city council meeting.
https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1832773191976014217?s=51&t=cLq01Oy84YkmYPZ-URIMYw
https://x.com/tyleraloevera/status/1833553869302874284?s=51&t=cLq01Oy84YkmYPZ-URIMYw
"“Well, since I work in the Ohio city that is presently all over the news, I suppose a few words are in order. (When I type in the city name, Facebook seems to be blocking it.) For those of you not following, two local Catholic charities have contracted with the federal government to relocate "refugees." (I use quotes, because the local Haitians themselves are telling folks they were recruited for work.) This is publicly disputed, but the evidence is overwhelming. Regardless, at present, 20k Haitians now live in an Ohio town of 60k residents. The results are predictable, and I can confirm the stories are true. Traffic accidents involving Haitian drivers has skyrocketed - property damage, hit and runs, and more. One kid was killed when a driver slammed into a school bus filled with kids. Petty crime is out of control. Stores are locking down merchandise due to rampant theft. Driving without a license is ubiquitous. The schools are chaotic. The local district has had to spend north of $300k on translators. I spoke with a teacher who said there is not nearly enough room in the existing buildings. The real estate market is also crazy. A friend of mine in real estate said that most of the Haitian families have banks cards from somewhere with $20k ear-marked for buying homes. The market was already tight, but now the prices are soaring. Don't get me started on the hospitals. And, yes, the stories about Haitians killing and eating neighborhood cats and ducks from local parks is true. I know situations like this are complicated politically and culturally, but what I get most frustrated about is when people call this kind of policy compassionate. There is not an ounce of compassion in this situation for either the immigrants nor the citizens. The citizens are being ignored, and the immigrants are being manipulated by deep pockets somewhere. It benefits the politically connected elites and business class, and nobody else.”
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I don't know all the details on this story, but as I understand it:
The Haitians in question are here legally.
The Haitians in question went to Springfield on their own, because there were jobs there.
Springfield, Ohio benefited from Haitians coming to take jobs that needed to be filled.
If so... what are you proposing? Creating rules that limit the number of Haitians that can move to a given city? If so, based on what?
I assume it is a crime to start camping on someone's property in Springfield, is that not the case?
If so, IF there are Haitians allegedly camping on private property, is it not the duty of law enforcement agencies to let them know they can't do that?
There are so many questions about this story that you leave unanswered.
What specifically are you suggesting should be done, if anything? Or are you using this to demonize a group of people from a nation whom I believe you have often visited?
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/09/09/vance-yost-targeting-haitians-in-springfield-ohio-with-ignorant-fear-mongering-disturbs-me-deeply/
Don't let facts get in the way of a racist story, though:
these reports do not appear to have reached the right, who are not only spreading the rumor, but using it to promote anti-immigrant policies and make racist attacks.
https://newrepublic.com/post/185732/maga-conspiracy-migrants-eating-pets
I wonder if there is a zero chance of you apologizing if these lies turn out to be, you know, lies? Or are we living in an era that, for Magop types (and their allies, Craig) we are "post-fact."..?
More facts, for the fact-oriented amongst us:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cats-ducks-haitians-springfield/
https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-police-say-no-reports-of-pets-stolen-after-viral-social-media-post/3WSIZQNHQVE4NP4TS5BVHBB2PY/
"The Haitians in question are here legally."
They're here because the Biden/Harris administration engaged in a questionable use of a "temporary" status to allow for permanent residency.
"The Haitians in question went to Springfield on their own, because there were jobs there."
If you believe that a town of @60,000 had enough open jobs to accommodate 20,000 low skilled, low IQ residents (Avg IQ in Haiti is 67).
"Springfield, Ohio benefited from Haitians coming to take jobs that needed to be filled."
Yet the reports are that the demand for social services is overwhelming and that they don't have enough housing for them.
"If so... what are you proposing? Creating rules that limit the number of Haitians that can move to a given city? If so, based on what?"
That we hold immigrants to account for the laws that they've broken.
"I assume it is a crime to start camping on someone's property in Springfield, is that not the case?"
I would as well, why is the city not enforcing the law? Based on your theory that immigrants should be unfettered in their "self determination" regarding where to settle, why would you think this is a problem.
"If so, IF there are Haitians allegedly camping on private property, is it not the duty of law enforcement agencies to let them know they can't do that?"
Yes, so why aren't they?
"There are so many questions about this story that you leave unanswered."
It's not my responsibility to answer every random question you can spew out.
"What specifically are you suggesting should be done, if anything? Or are you using this to demonize a group of people from a nation whom I believe you have often visited?"
I'm suggesting that the greens among us who want to protect animals should step up and protect the geese.
I'm suggesting that openly and notoriously violating the laws of the city/county/state/country where you have been granted "temporary" residency is grounds for deportation. I know the Biden/Harris administration has a track record of failing to deport violent criminals who are here illegally, but...
I'm not "demonizing" Haitians as a group. I am pointing out that the Biden/Harris administration has facilitated this overwhelming number of "immigrants" into a relatively small town and is doing nothing to help fix the problem they've created. I'm suggesting that allowing immigrants to flaunt the laws of the places they are staying, is bad policy. I'm suggesting that simply grabbing animals to eat shouldn't be allowed.
"I wonder if there is a zero chance of you apologizing if these lies turn out to be, you know, lies? Or are we living in an era that, for Magop types (and their allies, Craig) we are "post-fact."..?"
Haitian isn't a "race". The reality is that Haitians eat cats. The reality is that the average IQ of Haitians is 67. The reality is that the Biden/Harris administration is abusing a "temporary" provision in immigration law. The reality is that we've seen crime in Springfield rise significantly since this influx.
But defaulting to calling people "racist" is always a good look.
As someone who despises cats, I'm personally fine with getting rid of them in any way possible.
Dan,
As an expert student of journalism, you do understand that early reporting may not hold up as additional facts emerge. I'm also sure you understand that citing left wing sources which are not revered institutions of journalism doesn't help you.
But because you're determined to find things to be offended by, I'll simply note that I find this story amusing because it brings back enjoyable conversations with my translators abut eating cats, and about how ridiculous it is to dump 20,000 low skilled, low IQ immigrants in a town that doesn't seem able to handle the influx.
Springfield is my hometown. While I haven't lived in Ohio since my ATC job transferred me to the Chicago area for 17 years and then to Ohio, believe it or not I still have friends and family there and they are being terrorized. They have virtually taken over one of the large parks, squat on people's property, cause all sorts of damage and mayhem, and crime there has skyrocketed 242%. People are afraid to leave their homes. Perhaps they aren't eating pets yet, but evidence says they are eating the geese and ducks at that large park.,
"then to Ohio," should be "then to IOWA, " where I've been since 12/1/95.
Glenn,
Heaven forbid that we listen to people on the ground there, whether it's friends or those who've gone through non traditional channels to communicate.
This is a great example of what happens when two democrat constituencies come into conflict. In this case we have the greens who want to protect the geese, and the pro immigration folx who want to flood America with random immigrants. You'd think that enviros like Dan would be up in arms at the killing of the geese, but they've remained pretty silent. It's like there is a hierarchy on the DFL side and Haitian immigrants committing crimes are more valuable than geese.
I do think that this situation is a microcosm of the immigration debate. Given the situation in Port Au Prince, an argument could be made that some Haitians should be given temporary refuge in the US. (Although the US/Clinton role in causing the problems and the Biden.Harris administration lack of interest in a solution raises questions) But, once they are here, it seems reasonable that there would be a minimum standard of behavior required to stay. I'd argue that obeying the laws of the city/county/state that you live in would be the minimum.
I've seen reports of a woman who was hit by an unlicensed Haitian driving and unlicensed and uninsured car, who's left with no car because there's no insurance to pay for repairs.
I haven't even mentioned the young man killed by one of the immigrants. It's absurd to stick 20,000 immigrants in a town of 60,000 and expect everything to go well.
Where in Iowa?
North Liberty. About 13 miles south of Cedar Rapids (from whose airport control tower I retired) and about 7 miles NW of Iowa City. When first moving to Iowa we got a house in Swisher, 3 miles south of the airport, but when both kids left home in 2001 we got a smaller house here.
It seems to me the initial question of imposing without consent a number of people on a town only three times the number should be defended first before whining about details of that which is supported by testimonies from two who are familiar with one or the other population. But because a center-right person questions the wisdom of this move defended by a center-way-the-hell-left person who has no care for the general welfare of the nation in favor of anyone from anywhere who chooses to come here, we have to endure more boorish questioning.
And by the way, if Biden stretched the rules and his authority to allow entry to these Haitians, they're not truly here legally, are they? Does Biden have full authority to ignore the laws of the land, the way Dan ignores the Will of God? I don't think so and I have little doubt Biden truly had far more of an "I am King" attitude about how to be a president than Trump ever did.
On another note, those Canada geese are not deserving of protection any longer. They're everywhere and they could be a great source of food for the truly needy. We can send a large flock to Haiti, if the thugs there wouldn't steal them for themselves. I don't favor cats, either, but I never saw them as worth the effort as regards a meal. More like a snack at best.
Just curious, I spend a lot of time driving through Iowa.
Art,
This is an excellent point. If the federal government is going to resettle the equivalent of 30% of a towns population, it seems like the citizens should have some input into the process.
Art,
Again, excellent point. It does seem that the Biden/Harris "stretched" the law to allow this which would call into question the legality of their presence here. Personally, I don't think Biden could define the word "king" at this point, let alone imagine himself to be one.
I have no position on the protection of the geese. The fact is that under current law, they are protected, and therefore any immigrant who kills one should be dealt with according to the law. I only point it out to emphasize the hypocrisy of the enviros who remain silent at this.
According to Chien, my translator, cats are a "delicacy" in Haiti. While I believe that cats are the spawn of Satan, and want as little to do with them as possible, I see no reason why people can't eat them if they choose.
I stand firm on my contention that violation of US/OH/Springfield law should immediately end their presence in the US.
What's ignored in Dan's responses/questions is why are we bringing hundreds of thousands of Haitians to the US as refugees? Or the bigger question of why aren't we helping the Haitians throw out or kill the gangs who've overrun Port Au Prince and deposed the government. Why is the Biden/Harris administration content to allow this sort of tragedy to happen 800 miles from the US? Why did we allow the Clintons and their cronies to get rich from Haitian relief?
I am absolutely convinced that a cordon of military surrounding Port Au Prince could rid the capitol of these gangs in a reasonably short time period. Allowing the Haitians to resume control of their country.
But, here's a crazy idea. Completely out of the box. What if a nearby country, say Canada..., was to turn Haiti into a protectorate for the next 10-20 years? What if there was significant reform to the legal system, especially land law, which would allow more private ownership of land and ensure a stable environment for foreign investors? What if the infrastructure could be modernized, and give people an opportunity to enjoy the beauty of the country? What if that time involved improving education and training the next generation of Haitians to take over after 20 years?
Seriously, what could be done for the people of Haiti that would set them up for success in the future if we thought outside the box.
Even more seriously, Canada was a joke. They'd ruin Haiti, just like they're ruining Canada.
It was a good joke. I wondered why you chose Canada for your hypothetical scenario. But I wouldn't want the current administration do anything for Haiti, either.
Craig, if you're ever going to be in the area, just let me know and we can at least meet for lunch!
Don't get over that way much, but will keep it in mind.
I chose Canada because nobody hates Canada. In reality, I would have no problem with the US or some US led coalition dealing with the problems in Haiti. As things stand today, it could be argued that some sort of out of the ordinary action should be taken to protect the citizens. Based on what I hear from people in the country, the major issues are confined to Port Au Prince which would make dealing with them less problematic. As I see it, the biggest problem would be separating the "wheat from the chaff" so as to protect the innocent and deal with the gangs. Again, based on what I hear from there, it sounds like it wouldn't take much to make most people happier.
Another option would be to reestablish a legitimate Haitian government in Cap Hatien, reconstitute some sort of police/paramilitary force and use/support them in a retaking of Port Au Prince. Or just abandon Port Au Prince and shift all official functions to Cap Hatien. It's a small country, with huge problems, many of which are self inflicted. It's a shame to see someplace so close to the US, with so many problems. It's especially shameful to see how the Clintons enriched themselves and their cronies at the expense of Haitians.
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