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I was under the impression the religious observances were not legal or welcome in public schools. So why would a public school district spend taxpayer money to install a Muslim prayer room in a public school? How is the anti religion in public left not freaking out over this?
We know why, but they won’t admit it
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Religion in schools:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/05/24/ten-commandments-texas-schools-senate-bill-10/
Which way do you want it? Posting Ten Commandments in schools is okay AND Muslim footwashing rooms are okay OR that neither should be allowed?
Myself, I lean towards NOT spending tax payer money (and authority) to put specifically religious stuff into schools, but IF you're going to allow it for one religion, then all religions should be treated in a similar way.
Since I can't find news stories related to your suggestion about muslim prayer rooms (or whatever), I'll withhold judgment until there are, you know, actual news and data to talk about, as opposed to speculation and social media hubbub. As I'm wont to do. The stories about placing specifically Christian religious education and stuff in the public arena ARE in the news, though, so we know that's happening.
Myself, I find it hard to imagine that, in tough economic times for schools, that public funds are being used for such stuff, but maybe so. All I know is that I can't find any public news stories about it to confirm the rumor.
How about you... do you lean towards, "YES, I'm okay with ANY and all religious stuff being placed in public spaces with public dollars...?" OR, "Only MY specific religious tradition should be supported with public dollars...?" OR, "No, we should not use public funds to promote ANY specific religion, not even mine..."?
I’m on the side of consistency. If they’re going to build specific Muslim only religious spaces in public schools, then put Christian chapels in as well.
If Christian prayer has been effectively banned in public schools for years, then intentionally building spaces for Muslim prayer shouldn’t even be considered.
But whatever. The link I posted was to an alternative news source, but you limit yourself however you want.
That the 10 commandments span multiple religions, and form a basis for much of Western law, I’m not too upset either way.
Craig:
That the 10 commandments span multiple religions, and form a basis for much of Western law, I’m not too upset either way.
So, to be consistent, then, IF the school has posted the Ten Commandments, then if some Satanists want to post an inverted cross, you'd support that, as well?
Or, are you truly on the side of consistency AND suggesting we not put any religious symbols up to promote one specific religion or set of religions?
I suspect this is not a real story with factual details, fyi. IF it were an actual story, there would be news coverage of it from actual sources.
I’m pretty sure Satanists don’t consider themselves a religion, but the inverted cross and the normal cross aren’t the same symbol.
That you arbitrarily decide what news sources you accept isn’t my problem.
It broke this morning so we’ll see what the local news does.
You're not answering the question. Do you support putting ALL religious/philosophical trinkets in public spaces if we're going to allow Judeo-Christian trinkets and shrines? Do you support Satanist rituals in classrooms if we're going to allow teachers to lead prayers in classrooms?
Or do you think we'd be better off leaving all such Top Down religious teachings and trinkets out of classrooms?*
*Noting that students and informal religious whatnots are already allowed because who can stop someone from praying or wearing a cross - upright or inverted?
Or do you think we should just avoid
I did answer the question. Your side has been against anything religious in schools or government. If that’s how y’all want it, be consistent. Don’t be anti one and pro another. Especially when it means expending taxpayer money for a space that is designed to exclude.
Craig:
Your side has been against anything religious in schools or government.
My "side" (ie, the conservatives I grew up with and the progressives and moderates I know now) have been against teachers leading students in prayers that they have no options but sitting through promoting one particular religious tradition. We have always supported people (teachers, students, etc) being free to honor their religious traditions whether they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist or other.
Do you disagree with us? Do you think schools SHOULD promote one certain strain of religion? If so, who gets to decide which religion is going to be promoted?
If not, then you and I agree - schools should not be promoting a specific religious tradition, even in broad terms.
Promote love, grace, justice, kindness, forgiveness? YES! Please!!
Promote prayers to "our father, who art in heaven..." and "gays are bad" and "gay marriage is bad" and "the earth is 6,000 years old and we know the names of the first two humans ever, and it's Adam and Eve!" etc? No, not at all.
Do you disagree?
https://alphanews.org/plans-for-prayer-room-and-foot-washing-station-at-minnesota-schools-go-viral/
I do love how you magically lay claim to both sides of the political aisle when you find it convenient.
Do you pay any attention to what I say, or do you just spew whatever pops up into your head?
In principle, given the fact that most teachers are leftist, (https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/04/04/teachers-views-on-the-state-of-public-k-12-education/) and that the NEA overwhelmingly contributes to left wing candidates/causes (https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/national-education-assn/summary?id=d000000064), I don't particularly think teachers should be pushing any religion OR political ideology.
In principle, given MN graduation rates (https://educationminnesota.org/news/press-release/minnesota-students-educators-achieve-highest-graduation-rate-in-state-history/) of 85% and the proficiency of MN students in math and reading (https://www.kaaltv.com/news/minnesota-report-card-shows-more-than-half-of-students-are-not-proficient-in-math-reading/) 45% (one wonders how 85% of students graduate while 45% of students are not proficient in basic subjects) and student spending (https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics#mn), I'm of the opinion that MN has bigger problems than building a special room for explicitly discriminating against a majority of the students.
My position on prayer in schools is that it is impossible to stop people from praying when they want to pray and that students should be able to publicly pray if they choose to.
As I've never said that schools should "promote one certain strain of religion" nor have I indicated anything beyond religions should have equal treatment, the answer should be obvious.
The fact that you've changed the conversation from "Should public schools be spending taxpayer dollars" to give "one certain strain of religion" a space in a public school what by it's very nature excludes the majority of students." to "school prayer". This isn't a conversation about "school prayer" it's a conversation about using taxpayer dollars to promote and favor "one certain strain of religion" to the exclusion of all others. It's literally using taxpayer dollars to discriminate, while MN schools are graduating students who aren't proficient in basis subjects.
Should school districts use taxpayer money to build spaces dedicated to "one certain religious group" to the exclusion of all others?
Should school districts use taxpayer dollars to discriminate?
Should school districts be spending taxpayer dollars on frivolous facilities to benefit "one certain religious group" when over 55% of their students are not proficient in basic subjects?
As you clearly object to the mere presence of the 10 commandments in schools, how can you not be equally against a space which promotes or favors "one certain religious group"?
If one "religious group" is allowed dedicated space in a school, should not all groups be equally treated?
"NEW: Osseo Schools has confirmed to
@AlphaNews
that its remodel project at Park Center Senior High includes a prayer room and that foot-washing stations are being added to Osseo Senior High School."
I guess confirmation from the actual school district isn't good enough.
Given Dan is so lacking of understanding in both politics and religion, and by his ignorance routinely corrupts both, it's not hard to see how Dan struggles with this story.
The 1st Amendment, when one looks to the period in which is was enacted, referred to Congress being prohibited from establishing a state (as in, the nation of United States) religion as well as denying Congress the power to prohibit the free expression of one's faith. But, the notion of religious freedom was largely a matter of Christian denomination, as was proven by Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists the left loves to pervert under the corrupted "separation of church and state" comment. This same president promoted religious teaching and spending of tax dollars for the purpose. It was the support of the Christian faith primarily seen as an essential pillar of our form of governance....which of course Adams asserted was created for a moral people (by which he meant Christian morality) and unsuitable for any other.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. It's protection of religious liberty isn't, either. There's no benefit to inhibiting the promotion of Christianity, and far less, there's great danger in allowing the proliferation of islam or satanism, as those two fake religions are anathema to American Constitutional principles. I would add atheism to that pair for it's lack of benefit or value to our way of life and history has borne this out clearly.
The Constitution does not compel us...either on the state or federal level...to treat as equal that which is polar opposites. The Christianity and then all else. The former, properly understood and practiced, results in a better nation. We owe no deference to anything else.
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