If perjury isn’t a definitive enough reason to impeach a president, I’m not sure what is. But, if y’all are going to impeach, then go for it. The question in this post is if an actual crime isn’t enough, then does the DFL have the evidence to actually get a conviction, and do they have the spine to actually do something. It’s clearly easier to just throw accusations around to the point where it seems bad. It’s something else entirely to actually go through the process.
Personally, I think the push to impeach this close to an election season might indicate fear that the DNC candidate might lose again. I’d think that pursuing a strategy that is only going to be divisive isn’t smart, but what do I know. I’d think the easy answer would be to just find a good center-left candidate and win the election. But maybe this is a better option.
I’ve been up front for years that I’m fine with Pence as president and that the left will be just as nasty to him as they’ve been to Trump. I’m just getting tired of the posturing.
If you think you’ve got enough to impeach, then let’s see the evidence. Instead we’re seeing the DFL engaging in a virtual impeachment. Essentially just throwing stuff against the wall and hoping something sticks.
If y’all can’t come up with a candidate that can beat this horrible human being, maybe the problem isn’t just Trump.
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The problem is definitively not Trump. The problem is that portion of the electorate that is willing to elect and admitted pervert, liar, conman, cheater, grifter, the thing to office.
I posted your comment despite the fact that it doesn't seem to make any sense. But, if we follow your logic down the reasonable path, wouldn't some of the blame fall on the DFL who was unable to put forth a candidate that could beat Trump.
I'll say it again. The further and more radically left the DFL goes, the greater the chance that Trump wins again.
I have not problem suggesting that the Trump voters have some responsibility, but how many of those voters would say that the alternative was worse.
I just got my first email from one of the local congressmen trying to raise campaign donations using the current situation. Way to stay classy DFL.
FYI, I didn't support the Clinton impeachment even though we had clear evidence that he'd actually committed a crime.
First, I don't see how Trump voters bear any responsibility in this current nonsensical impeachment attempt, if that is what you mean. I am fully and unequivocally happy with my choice for president, given, not only the alternative was far worse, but that his accomplishments, focus and intentions clearly justified my choice.
Dan supports, celebrates, enables and defends actual admitted perverts, while accusing Trump of being a pervert because he acts on his lusts for women, which isn't perversion at all. And as to liars, conmen, cheaters, grifters..."things" (whatever that's supposed to mean), his support for the leftist candidates belies his concern and simply exposes his own hypocrisy. And again, there were far fewer voters for Trump who could be classified as "willing" to elect him than Dan so pathetically, desperately and dishonestly needs to believe. With Hillary the likely winner without the support Trump got, it's easy to see that most who voted for Trump were blocking her path, as well as supporting the distinct and now proven possibility that things like SCOTUS appointments would far better benefit the nation with Trump in office than that shrewish hag, or the third danger to American, Bernie Sanders.
Now, we see that Trump isn't and hasn't been a danger at all. He's been a net benefit, if not an outright Godsend given his accomplishments and intentions...even if his style and manner leave more than a little to be desired. And as trusted pundits have analyzed and found no impeachable offenses in Trump's talk with the Ukrainian president, this attempt to smear him and impeach him is proof of the corruption of the Democratic party, the left, the media and all who support them and oppose Trump. This attempt to impeach is Kabuki Theater once again, and all who hope to see it succeed are complicit in the Democratic threat to disenfranchise all who voted for Trump. They have no ideas. They have no reputable candidate to run against Trump. Any of the clowns who might win the next election will have done so not because they are worth a damn, but because he/she isn't Trump. Only fools and idiots would let that happen.
Art,
Two things.
I’m not saying that Trump voters are responsible, just pointing out that if that argument is to be made then the DFL and voters are equally responsible. The DFL for fielding the only candidate worse than Trump, and their voters for not turning out where they were needed.
I realize that you’re satisfied with what Trump has done and are going to support him gladly. I still don’t think we need someone making unhinged threats of civil war and the other crazy stuff he’s done.
But, this post really isn’t about that. It’s about whether the DFL has the balls to actually put the evidence out there and make the case for impeachment. I think they’re just as happy to play this current game where they can just announce Trump’s guilt and repeat it often enough for their sheep to believe it.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter. No matter what the results are they’ll announce that he’s guilty anyway. If they succeed, Pence will likely pardon him, so that’s moot anyway. I think it says more about the fact that they don’t think they have a candidate who can win. So they’ll slather as much unproven stink on Trump as they can and hope that’s enough .
I was just trying to touch every point made thus far in the limited time I had. I have to say, however, that I haven't seen him threaten civil war. Rather, I believe he was pointing out that the threat exists already. That's not an absurd suggestion, unfortunately.
I think Dems have the balls indeed. The question is whether or not they have legitimate evidence, whether or they care if it is or isn't legitimate and whether or not it's legitimacy...or lack thereof...will matter so long as it can be used for their unAmerican purposes.
I understand where your coming from. The problem is still not about defending Trump. If there’s evidence, they need to bring it. If not, then they need to shut up.
It's funny, but I'm in favor of removing Trump from office. That would leave us/them with Pence, a big step up from my perspective. And, hey, maybe we could get a candidate in 2020 I could actually vote for. Win-win from my view. :)
I completely agree. Best case scenario in my opinion is Trump realizes that he’s a distraction and a liability and resigns. Pence steps in and appoints Cruz, Rubio, etc as VP. If Pence doesn’t run in 20 then you put the VP in the position of running as an “incumbent”, and you add significant numbers of conservative votes.
The problem with that is assuming that Trump cares about anything but himself.
I think that the DFL is probably going to be their own worst enemy and that Trump ekes our a win. However I believe a second Trump term guarantees a DFL win in 24.
"It's funny, but I'm in favor of removing Trump from office."
Thereby disenfranchising all who voted for him, just as the lunatic left seeks to do...and for reasons that are no longer relevant in the face of his good work as president. Nice.
"Best case scenario in my opinion is Trump realizes that he’s a distraction and a liability and resigns."
But Trump is NOT a "distraction". He's being made a distraction by those who hate/dislike/oppose him. It's not Trump who is distracting from his achievements and successes. The distraction is coming from all those who focus on the insignificant and irrelevant.
"The problem with that is assuming that Trump cares about anything but himself."
Do you have a Trump-hating lefty writing your stuff now? This is the type of thing I see repeatedly from them, yet no one has yet to provide an example that bears this out. Perhaps you can help.
On the contrary, it seems more obvious to me that as president he's been well focused on what he believes is best for the country...which is what any voter should expect from a president. He's been getting results that support that and I've seen nothing that reflects the attitude that he's focused on himself...aside from self-promotion, which all presidents do to one degree or another (except for G.W. Bush, who could have benefited from a bit of it).
There are very few cases where a two-term president isn't replaced with the other party's candidate. That's just how it goes. If Trump gets a second term and continues getting good things done, particularly with regard to the economy and border security, that trend could be broken.
Frankly, I continue to be distressed by the both of you and your adamant opposition to Trump and your refusal to support him in 2020. Thus, I would like either of you to provide a good reason. That is, think of the main reason you refused to support him in 2016 and provide and example of how that reason has manifested in any way during his presidency. (For example, if his infidelity was a prime reason, how have his past indiscretions manifested in his behavior as president? Does he promote infidelity as a moral good and seek some sort of policy to that end?) If you can't do that, then your reason makes no sense and there is no principle that is at risk by voting for him in 2020.
Art,
I’m not sure it’s Adam opposition to Trump. It’s the reality that Trump is bringing much of this on himself. Last time I checked it was ok to have different opinions on these things.
Perhaps you missed the :) at the end. I wrote in humor. Sorry that you find disagreement with your love of Trump offensive. I still can't get back his character, a key issue for me in all cases. His character has not improved.
Is this more humor? Don't confuse my love of Trump's achievements as president with any love for Trump the man.
"Last time I checked it was ok to have different opinions on these things."
Check again, my friend. I think it's still OK to point out when a different opinion is crappy. At least it should be.
I’ve never suggested otherwise. But I’m very clear on what your position is and I don’t agree.
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