"A pregnant woman lost her baby after ICE refused to give her prenatal care. She begged for help and was denied. She was fed food full of cockroaches. She was forced to sleep on the floor. This is absolutely disgusting and we should all be outraged."
Pramila Jaypal
Let's start off with the obvious, anyone in custody in the US should receive appropriate medical attention, nutritious food, and clean water. That's not what this post is about, it's under investigation, and pointless to speculate about. No woman should ever have to go through a miscarriage, and I genuinely sympathize with her pain and distress.
What this is about is the hypocrisy and idiocy in Jaypal's statement.
1. "pregnant woman" Not "birthing person" or any of the other idiotic bullshit we hear from the ABC folx, "pregnant woman". She probably can't define woman, and if pressed, would deny that only women can get pregnant. But when it's necessary to push a narrative, the Truth comes out.
2. "her baby" I'm sorry, I'm confused. For years I've been beaten over the head by people insisting that the thing inside of a birthing person's uterus was anything but a "baby". It's a fetus, a foetus, a clump of cells, or a parasite, but never a "baby". Again, when it's necessary for a narrative the bullshit language games stop because they know that "A pregnant woman lost her baby" is going to get the most emotional reaction.
To be blunt, everyone knows that only women can get pregnant, and that this woman was pregnant with a baby. She miscarried for reasons that I am unaware of at this juncture. It's a sad story, being used and framed by Jaypal for political reasons. Which makes it even more sad.
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https://nashvillebanner.com/2025/05/27/iris-monterroso-pregnancy-loss/
The above was posted under one of my FB posts in order to pretend it means we conservatives don't care about the unborn. It seems to be the same story Jayapal pretends concerns her. This Guatemalan is a victim of her own choices, and while she certainly suffered, presenting the story as they have is just an attempt to criticize those enforcing the law, namely the Trump administration.
The article claims alleged poor conditions in one of the ICE detention facilities highlighted were reported in 2023. With the millions of illegals allowed to enter, and funding curtailed or redirected to aiding illegals rather than preventing their illegal entry or deporting them, the question is whether or not the conditions always sucked or whether they became horrible because ICE was so overwhelmed and underfunded.
Also interesting is little is mentioned about the fact that she entered illegally (or perhaps overstayed a visa....the article doesn't seem to say...unless I missed it) ten years ago. This would've been her 7th kid. No mention of what led to the first six, if there are six fathers or one she never married or maybe she did...who knows. It does prove one thing: both this woman and her American boyfriend didn't care to make sure her status was resolved before choosing to do the nasty. They both clearly and stupidly assumed she would not be held to account, and they want to blame the law for her breaking it and suffering the consequences in this most horrible manner.
The hag who sought to "expose" me by posting this story, clearly only did so to attack my pro-life position and thus, her posturing as "caring" is false. And she suggested "THIS story should piss you off, but it doesn't. It probably made you smile." It does piss me off, but not because I believe the article accurately and without bias reported the story, but because this woman "F'd" and by doing so "F'd up" and now the trolling hag on my FB feed and the "journalist" and Jayapal wants to blame those not truly responsible for the Guatemalan's suffering.
It's probably the same article. From other stuff I've seen, it's probably not as simplistic as blaming ICE entirely, but it seems like basic decency would be in play here at some point. If ICE (in this case) detains a pregnant woman, then it seems as though it in incumbent on them to have processes in place to provide some level of appropriate medical care. Likewise, with things like food and shelter. If the detainees can't be processed without being held for an expended period of time, they deserve to be cared for properly. I'm not suggesting luxury accommodations, but things like healthy food/beds/toilets/showers/medical care should go without saying.
As you may have noticed, the point of this post was to point out the hypocritical use of language on the pro-abortion side. Something you could likely use against the person who posted this on your page.
The article I read mentioned that the woman asked for expedited deportation in order to get medical care in Guatemala, yet was denied. This seems strange to me, but much about this seems strange to me.
Because of that, I chose to focus solely on the hypocrisy of using the pro-life language by Jaypal, not to dig into the details. I can only assume that someone is actually investigating this and that we'll see the results at some point.
I could be wrong, but it seems as though you are fine with these detainees being (potentially) denied basic levels of care while in detention. Please confirm or deny.
Yes, I did notice the point of the post and it was clearly the point of the sow who posted the article for my "edification" on FB.
Yours is clearly the same story as that in the link to which I posted, as it also mentioned her plea to be sent to Guatemala. On that, I wonder if the complaint is merely a matter of "Yeah, lady. We're sending you there when transportation is arranged" and not one of simply dismissing her.
Indeed, I wonder how much of any of this is a legit complaint as if ICE isn't trying to address the situation while no doubt still overwhelmed because of the policies of the former administration. As a result, it may be that they haven't caught up yet...or at least hadn't at the time this woman's tale took place...and are doing their best to provide that basic care you mention.
But my position in response to the focus on her plight is that Jayapal, the "journalist" in the link I presented here as well as the beeeyatch! who posted it so condescendingly on my FB page, was that it seems the focus is not so much on this Guatemalan woman, but on exploiting her suffering in order to once again attack the current administration and any who support it and are also anti-abortion. They go out of their way to avoid any mention of her lifestyle choices being the reason she is a "victim" of whatever alleged failures to provide for her care actually exist and/or took place.
I hope I've made clear now that I deny as untrue what you seem to have inferred.
Sure, whatever. Your comment didn't seem to reflect the point that the language they use jumps back and forth depending on their goal, but cool.
That they have used the plight of this woman for political gain is obvious. They clearly don't care about her beyond her utility to move forward a specific narrative. That wasn't my point, but it is a good additional thing to note.
I think that we can assume that the journalist and her subjects could have exaggerated how bad the conditions were, yet it still sounds like conditions could be worse than in a prison. So does that mean that you are OK with detainees being denied care for basic needs, as per the question above?
I hope that you would not be, but I'm unclear on your stance.
Fixed.
Hmm...I would have thought that my saying, "I deny as untrue what you seem to have inferred" would have made clear that I not OK with detainees being denied care for their basic needs, if indeed by that you mean it's simply being withheld out of animus rather than being unavailable to provide in the first place. If it's the latter, we have to ask why that would be the case? If it's because they are overwhelmed and are not yet staffed well enough to service millions who shouldn't have come in the first place, I'm still not "OK" with it, but recognized in such a case it's not an intentional thing, but the providers of that basic care might just as much be victims of circumstance as the illegals who shouldn't be here. So, to reiterate, I would wish that everything be rainbows and unicorns for everyone, but recognize it might not be completely possible...or wasn't yet at the time in which this story played out.
The reports from journalists and lefties imply intent on the part of ICE and those tasked with dealing with the hordes. I'm not ready to give that angle any value until I see some proof.
How's that?
No, that did not make it clear at all.
Obviously, if basic needs are denied out of animus, that is a problem.
On the other hand, I'd argue that to detain more people than you can provide basic care for is a situation that should never arise. To fail to have some level of medical care available seems unconscionable, to detain an obviously pregnant woman in a facility without the means to provide care or to delay deporting her to a place where care might be available is also unconscionable. If the state is going to detain people, there is a responsibility to do so under humane conditions.
To be clear, I am not excusing this woman for the role she might have played in this. Yet, if she was unable to get basic, appropriate medical care and if the rest of the allegations are even somewhat True, that is a problem.
If we want to deport people, then don't screw around detaining them for extended periods, get them out and clear up space for more.
I don't think that intent factors in to this at all. It's pretty simple. The Boy Scouts have it right. Be Prepared. If this detention center is not prepared, then don't use it.
"No, that did not make it clear at all."
Well that's really fuckin' sad. What the hell is unclear about "I deny as untrue what you seem to have inferred"???? Please tell me you're being facetious.
"On the other hand, I'd argue that to detain more people than you can provide basic care for is a situation that should never arise."
To flood American with so many millions of illegals should never have arisen. I'm not going to criticize our ICE people because they had to deal with such a catastrophic flood. On top of that, I don't know what about this story is factually told. This seems to me at this time...based on questionable reporting...a most tragic case of FAFO.
" If we want to deport people, then don't screw around detaining them for extended periods, get them out and clear up space for more."
Not always as easy done as said. What makes you think anyone's "screwing around"? That suggests intent you say isn't a factor. I doubt it's simple at all, whether it's sending them back to Guatemala or having the perfect accommodations in any facility to handle any number of people.
These reports of this woman are untrustworthy in my opinion and as is ostensibly both our MO, I will wait until all the actual facts and details are available.
"Well that's really fuckin' sad."
Not really. That you chose not to simply answer the question as asked (which was not an inference, merely a question) and respond without referencing what you were responding to opened the door for my confusion. So, I did what normal people do and asked for clarification.
"To flood American with so many millions of illegals should never have arisen."
Well, unfortunately, we don't live in a world governed by what should have happened. We live in a world where we have to deal with the circumstances that actually exist.
In this case, it seems likely that the Trump administration/ICE chose to detain more people than they could handle with the facilities available to them. In this case it appears that there were several relevant choices made. They chose to detain a pregnant woman. They chose to detain her in a facility that seems ill prepared to handle a pregnant woman. They chose not to expedite her deportation. They could have given her $1,000 and a plane ticket, walked her to the gate and put her on a plane. None of these choices even gets to the reports of the conditions in the facility. This is easily remedied by slowing the rate of detention or increasing the available facilities. To blame the choices being made today on Biden's policies seems strange. Likewise, reality isn't defined by what "seems to" you, even if it's half as bad as portrayed is that acceptable? Should there not be at least an investigation into the actual conditions? The notion that there should not be some minimum level of humanity shown to detainees and that it's their fault (FAFO) if it's not, seems strange.
"Not always as easy done as said."
Strange, I seem to remember you taking umbrage at my suggestion that the deportations be staggered, and that it was impossible to deport 10 million people immediately. Now you seem to be acknowledging that is wasn't going to be as easy as you thought, and that a more measured approach might be appropriate.
Screwing around does not imply intent, it could simply be incompetence, laziness, stupidity, bureaucratic bullshit, or any one of a number of possibilities. I guess, as a fairly reasonable and sympathetic person, that it might be a good idea to be prepared to accommodate a pregnant detainee. That expediting her deportation, or making sure she had medical care would have been a good idea. Hell, to be completely crass about it, they should have taken better care of her to save themselves a potential legal and PR disaster.
You pulling out the "perfect" canard is amusing. I literally never said or implied "perfect". Unless you consider things like having healthy, nutritious food (Hell, give them MREs), beds, and basic medical care available "perfect".
It's interesting that you draw the conclusion that "these reports" "are untrustworthy", right before you say you'll wait until "actual facts" are available.
While there is obviously more to be learned, the parts that are known don't look good.
It's strange how hard you are pushing back on my contention that those in the custody of the US government should be given some basic level of decent care while in custody.
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