https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/sep/11/videos-rebels-sudan-footage-courts
You know who's completely silent about this.
Greta Thunberg
Mehdi Hasan
Cenk Uygur
Ana Kasparin
The UN
The MSM
Dan
Dan's parasite
The ASPL
All of the people who made excuses or supported Hamas (even as they torture and kill Gazans), attacked Israel (who engaged in a campaign under the most difficult circumstances, and still managed to have the lowest % of civilian casualties in modern warfare), supported/support the Muslim/pro Hams protests in the US, and those who stay silent on the literal rape and destruction of Europe, have no credibility at this point as they stand silently by and ignore the actual genocide in Africa.
As much as I applaud Trump stopping wars and conflicts, I can't help but thinking that the US could eradicate the perpetrators of the genocide against Christians relatively easily. That the rest of Africa and the Islamic world stands by and does nothing, simply demonstrates the how much of the narrative is simply a lie.
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The corrupt felon you've voted for has deliberately, proudly slaughtered over 50 people in the last month boldly, without defense, in his decision to start blowing up ships in the Pacific that he says - with NO SUPPORT - are "drug dealers."
This is murder. Insofar as he and his team have admitted that it's terrorizing even innocent boaters in these areas, it's terrorism.
Insofar as he and his team have provided NOT ONE SHRED of proof that even one of these assassinations were guilty of anything, it is extrajudicial murders.
Insofar as these murders are happening outside the US in foreign waters, it is almost certainly a set of war crimes or crimes against humanity.
EVEN IF it turned out to be the case that one or more of these murder victims WERE guilty of being drug dealers, there is a legal process for that and that process is to give them due process.
This is a blatant bit of murderous, villainous evil. AND it's happening by our OWN leaders.
Jesus said that those with the plank in their eye should remove it before complaining about another's speck. We talk about the crimes of THIS nation because we are responsible for OUR behavior first and foremost. No one comments on every evil that's done everywhere. You don't comment EVEN WHEN it's your own president doing the assassinating (or ordering them).
This behavior by your president is an overt, illegal atrocity. In any RATIONAL timeline of US history, a president who did this would be impeached and indicted and, when proven guilty, arrested. That YOU MAGA/GOP types remain silent in the face of extrajudicial murders, means that you have no moral ground to stand on to complain about other nations.
First remove the plank from your own eyes.
Condemn Trump's crimes, call for his impeachment, insist that GOP legislators call for his impeachment and criminal investigation - along with ALL his allies who aided in these murderous crimes - then we can start talking about the evils of other nations and people.
Also, as a liberal, I am well aware of what's happening in Sudan. You know how I know about it? Because I read and heard about it on NPR, CNN, BBC, etc. In fact, we've been praying for Sudan and South Sudan off and on for at least the last year or two.
Do you TRULY think that just because I haven't mentioned that on my blog means I'm not concerned? As always, none of us are always talking about every atrocity that has happened in our world or that is going on right now.
If you're suggesting that not mentioning the troubles of a given nation or region - especially on a blog that's not dedicated to international wars and atrocities - is a sign of not caring, that's an irrational measure. If you merely don't like it when I talk about your felon's crimes but not about everyone else's, well, that too, is an irrational measure.
I am a working man with a full time job and family and church and community responsibilities. I can't talk about every atrocity and I just repeat again that no one can or does and that doesn't make it illegitimate when I point out, for instance, the literal murders your president is literally committing by ordering these extrajudicial assassinations.
Due process is a Christian value. Or should be. It's certainly one that's taught within the pages of the Bible. Why not follow those rules?
Of course all of these muslim terrorist groups, drug cartels and dealers, both foreign and domestic, and other criminals and terrorists could be, and should be, wiped out so hard that what remains of them will willingly submit to authorities, even if it means a more "humane" execution. The problem is international blow back by the very leftists who allowed this to happen in the first place.
Huh, Greta Thunberg speaking out for justice and solidarity for Sudan. Maybe you were mistaken?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CcABz0RuwUL/?hl=en
Oh, and at least some Muslims calling for actions towards peace and justice in Sudan is happening (of course, it is). Maybe you were mistaken on that front, too?
https://icna.org/crisis-in-sudan/
You know ONE thing that would help the world be more involved in fighting for justice and peace in Sudan/South Sudan? A stable US that hasn't withdrawn from peacemaking globally. A stable US that invests money in peacemaking efforts. A stable US that throws support behind international justice efforts such as the ICC.
That our current criminal administration is actively assassinating people without due process and who may be completely innocent of, you know, anything, and has changed our international policies to more of a transactional approach ("Why should we help you? What will you give to US to make it worth our while...") is only making any efforts that we might engage in more difficult, not less. Also, given our policies in Israel/Gaza and in Venezuela (and decades of other bad behavior) make us less than morally grounded to have a good starting place to work for justice in Sudan.
In other words, fighting for justice in Sudan really depends on us holding criminals in this current administration responsible for their overt crimes and murders. Can you see the reasoning in that?
Another question on this, Craig: Due to the US cutting our global involvement except where they can pay us back in some way, and due to this happening in a nation where we have no control, what I know to do currently is to keep those people in prayer, and we do at my church and have been for a while now.
What specifically should WE do, other than remove from the presidency and Congress, those isolationists who are making us LESS involved in deadly violence around the world.
I'm/we're praying, we are raising awareness in our circles by talking about it and not remaining silent, and we're fighting to END this deadly criminal administration and the isolationism that is part of the MAGA/GOP movement these days. What ELSE should we be doing?
What are you doing?
Also, I can see that you are seriously concerned about this particular genocide, these murders and starvations that are happening in Sudan/South Sudan. I believe you're serious about that.
Can you understand, then, how crazy-making it is for us on the Progressive and Moderate sides of US policies (hell, Rand Paul is calling these murders out for what they are!), to see this administration just break laws to murder people without due process? I mean, murder is murder is murder. Why is it wrong to "remain silent" (presumably you mean, "not talk about it on your blog...") on Sudan violence and injustices but not wrong to not talk about our OWN nation's criminal murders and injustices?
Do you understand why so many of us are outraged about our OWN gov't's actions?
News on that topic:
Mary Ellen O'Connell, an international law expert at Notre Dame University and former military educator with the defence department, said the "criminal suspects are entitled to due process".
"It is a greater crime to summarily execute people suspected of drug trafficking than drug trafficking is," she added.
In an interview with the BBC's Newsday programme last week, Colombian Deputy Foreign Minister Mauricio Jaramillo said the strikes were "disproportionate and outside international law".
Jaramillo said those on the vessels had "no possibility to defend themselves" and were struck with "no process" and "no judicial order".
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ex94eeljeo
Also:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjzw3gplv7o
Craig: There is a horrible genocide happening in Sudan and Nigeria which is Muslims targeting Christians for their faith. You know actual brothers and sisters in Christ are being actually, literally, subjected to genocide. But Dan can't be bothered to get worked up about that, because Trump. Dan's habit of engaging in these off topic attacks when confronted with certain things is incredibly annoying.
FYI, I've already criticized Trump for this. I find it problematic, despite that fact that eradicating drug smuggling rings bringing drugs into the US is a laudable goal.
The problem is that when you stay silent on things like this, it is impossible to actually know if your silence in indifference, being unaware, or political expedience.
Given your outspoken and vitriolic attacks on Israel (and excuses for Hamas), it's hard to take your "I don't talk about international wars and atrocities" seriously.
I've been posting on this for quite a while, and this is the very first time you've commented on the subject. That your first two comments don't actually condemn this genocide, is telling.
Are you seriously saying that it's perfectly fine for these Muslims to slaughter Christians as long as the follow "due process"?
The fact that the Muslim terrorist groups know that the ASPL will support their goals, and that the ASPL continues to give them what they want is disgusting. The fact that Europe is being destroyed by the same left wing policies that the ASPL/DFL advocate for the US is a tragedy. If the US follows their example, it's national suicide.
Thunberg's post isn't specifically about the genocide in Sudan, nor does she mention the genocide in Nigeria. But, I'll acknowledge that it's a step in the right direction. While also noting that she's not putting flotillas together to help either.
Likewise, your Muslim link doesn't actually address that genocide or call for it's end.
Of course, it's Dan blaming the US for not allowing other countries to solve their own problems. There are 56 Muslim majority countries, many of them have immense wealth available, why should the US do what they can/should do? Likewise, the continent of Africa is also doing nothing, why should the US be blamed for not getting involved in every "civil war" on the planet.
More blame Trump first. Not a single mention of the obvious solution.
Well, our "policy" in Gaza involved building a pier so that Hamas could get "relief" to hoard and profit from, and (under Biden) ignoring the US and Israeli hostages, cultivating in the recent "cease fire" and hostage return I'm not sure what your problem is. But clearly it is the fault of the US that Hamas brutally attacked Israel, kidnapped raped and murdered innocent civilians and provoked a response. It is clearly the fault of the US that Hamas bragged about using human shields, hiding military infrastructure under schools and hospitals, and that UNRWA actively participated in war crimes. Until the ICC sanctions Hamas for their multiple war crimes (even if they'd attempt to prosecute them), they have no credibility.
The reason Venezuela (once the wealthiest country in Central/South America) is a shit hole is because they elected a socialist/communist (with the full support of the ASPL) who turned into a dictator (no surprise) and has run Venezuela into the ground. It's almost like the people of Venezuela, Gaza, Sudan, and Nigeria have no agency and shouldn't be held responsible for their actions.
"Can you see the reasoning in that?"
Absolutely not. The notion that the best way to stop an ongoing genocide in Sudan and Nigeria is to prosecute Trump is the most nonsensical, hyper partisan driven I've heard is quite a while. Especially since you don't Mention any US administration that you blame beyond your irrational hatred of Trump. What stopped Biden from fixing this problem?
"Another question on this, Craig: Due to the US cutting our global involvement except where they can pay us back in some way, and due to this happening in a nation where we have no control, what I know to do currently is to keep those people in prayer, and we do at my church and have been for a while now."
1. This isn't a question, it's a statement.
2. What is wrong with striking a deal that is mutually beneficial to both parties?
3. Why is the US taxpayer the only possible vehicle to intervene in every conflict across the globe?
4. You do know that the US is drowning in debt and that any money for the US to intervene simply adds to that debt.
5. What is stopping the Muslim majority countries from reining in their coreligionists?
"What specifically should WE do, other than remove from the presidency and Congress, those isolationists who are making us LESS involved in deadly violence around the world."
Again, not really a question. But a ridiculous and absurd attempt to push responsibility away from those actually committing genocide, and onto your political enemies. It's not like Biden did anything either, but blame Trump for everything.
"I'm/we're praying, we are raising awareness in our circles by talking about it and not remaining silent, and we're fighting to END this deadly criminal administration and the isolationism that is part of the MAGA/GOP movement these days."
1. Who are you praying to and what are you praying for?
2. You were abundantly clear about your doubt about YHWH directly intervening in these sorts of things, so what good is prayer?
3. Y'all have been saying for years that "thoughts and prayers" are pointless and harmful.
4. Please link to one example of you or your church organizing and sort of event, protest, or prayer meeting to specifically address the genocide in Nigeria and Sudan.
5. As you seem obsessed with the "criminal administration", rather than with actual genocide, pardon me if I don't take you seriously.
"What ELSE should we be doing?"
Protesting against the Muslim genocide against Christians (you know your "brothers and sisters).
Raising money and support for the persecuted Church in Nigeria and Sudan.
Publicly decrying the actual genocide at least as loudly as you decried the fake genocide.
Acknowledge the fact that Hamas lied about the casualties, hoarded and profited from selling food aid, is continuing to commit war crimes by using hospitals and schools for military purposes, and is engaged in violence against Gazans.
Stop the double standard when it comes to actual genocide perpetrated by Muslims.
"What are you doing?"
Everything I can, given my limitations. Mostly pointing out the hypocrisy of people like you as you stay (mostly, publicly) silent about crimes against humanity when they are engaged in by Muslims.
"Also, I can see that you are seriously concerned about this particular genocide, these murders and starvations that are happening in Sudan/South Sudan. I believe you're serious about that."
I'd include the genocide against Christians in Nigeria as well.
"Can you understand, then,..."
Oh, I can completely understand your obsession with attacking the Trump administration for actions which appear to fall within a a grey area of international law. I also understand your unwillingness to assign responsibility for these actions to the cartels and countries that harbor them. I don't understand your obsession with attacking Israel for a genocide that was clearly not a genocide, while remaining virtually silent when it's your Christian "brothers and sisters" being slaughtered for their faith. You know, when actual oppression is being engaged in by Muslims, you shrink back and hide behind the "I don't talk about international...". Except you do, you just choose what side you want to support.
"Do you understand why so many of us are outraged about our OWN gov't's actions?"
Yes, yes I do.
News on that topic:
FYI, the topic of this post and thread is the "silence" of you and those like you on the left when confronted with actual genocide.
The "topic" is not what Trump has done to a few boats.
It seems strange that you are unable to understand the topic of the post and confine your replies to that topic.
Until you deal with the war crimes of your president, you have no moral grounds to talk to me about other places where crimes are being done. Beyond which, you KNOW my answer already to these crimes: They are wrong and we should work as a global effort of freedom loving nations united against human rights violations to work to end these crimes. But I'm first concerned with the war crimes being committed by the president you all elected.
One other thing: You keep bringing up the suggestion that you're concerned especially because some of those being attacked are Christians. For me, that's not a concern. It's whether HUMANS are being harmed, regardless of their faith system.
Do you have some special concern specifically only for Christians?
Dan's hatred for Trump, which means he hates him for than the cartels Trump seeks to destroy, is mental illness. Dan wants to believe Trump's people are just randomly blowing up boats as if they have absolutely no idea who these people are. Dan does nothing to confirm this hateful hunch he simply chooses to believe without reason.
The cartels are worthy of this response, and hitting them in international waters simply eliminates a lot of paperwork and explanations to assholes who simply hate Trump. The cartels are murdering Americans with their products and Dan doesn't f**king care. This true murder is no concern for Dan as his only concern is pretending Trump is the evil Dan needs him to be in order to rationalize his vile and irrational hatred. He's been hating so long, he needs people to agree with him. Dan gives Christianity a bad name by falsely claiming to be Christian and then supporting all the vile crap he supports.
Rather than call for Trump's impeachment, I call on anyone in Louisville to slap the crap out of Dan upon every encounter. Such stupid demands it.
Yeah, Craig...this policy is not above scrutiny, as is true of any policy. I fully support it given the targets, and until some TDS critic can provide evidence he's harming anyone unconnected to the cartels, it's a wonderful act. Long has the expression "the war on drugs" been bandied about. This is what war looks like. Annihilation of the enemy until total and unconditional surrender is offered.
"Do you TRULY think that just because I haven't mentioned that on my blog means I'm not concerned?"
Yes. Worse, your expression of concern for bad actors and perverts gets more exposure on your blog, and that's the cut of your vile and perverse jib. I don't buy your response that you and your fellow Jeff St buffoons have been routinely praying for these people.
Dan cares nothing for truth and righteousness, but only for that which gets him off personally, which bears no resemblance to either truth or righteousness.
What it comes down to is simply this: Dan is an incredibly stupid little girl. He doesn't pay attention to most all (if not anything) about which he presumes to offer an opinion.
To answer your questions...
"1. Who are you praying to and what are you praying for?"
Praying to God almighty. Praying for changes in policies, attitudes and actions.
"2. You were abundantly clear about your doubt about YHWH directly intervening in these sorts of things, so what good is prayer?"
Prayers that do nothing aren't helpful. Prayer that changes people can do a great deal, as here on Earth, we don't see God objectively stepping in to take specific actions to stop war, for instance. God's people do.
"3. Y'all have been saying for years that "thoughts and prayers" are pointless and harmful."
I haven't. What I AM leery of are those who say things like that without taking actions that help.
"4. Please link to one example of you or your church organizing and sort of event, protest, or prayer meeting to specifically address the genocide in Nigeria and Sudan."
We have not engaged in actions specific to those nations. We HAVE advocated for policy changes (and have done so for decades, in Democrat and GOP administrations) that would encourage the US to be connected globally and advocating for peace and justice with specific actions like supporting a world court rather than undermining it.
"5. As you seem obsessed with the "criminal administration", rather than with actual genocide, pardon me if I don't take you seriously."
As you turn a blind eye and minimize murders and war crimes here (where conservatives are uniquely positioned to actually save lives and hold murderers accountable and affect positive change), perhaps you can see why complaining about alleged liberal silence seems more performative than grounded in moral leadership. IF you are concerned about evil criminal murders, YOU can affect change, here, now.
Join us, Craig.
Look, given the topic of this post and assuming you're being sincere - and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt- we should be able to find some good faith common ground.
You and I agree that we hate to see innocent people killed, right? AND, it doesn't matter WHO is killing innocent people, Muslim, Christian, GOP or Democrat, it's just wrong and we want to see it end. AND the guilty ones held accountable. Am I right that you and I agree upon that?
And can I assume we both agree that where we CAN take specific actions to end it, we should, right? Especially when we have a real opportunity to both end the evil AND hold the guilty accountable, right?
Then why don't folk like you join with most progressives, many moderates and even some conservatives like Rand Paul? If even a small percentage of MAGA world join with the rest of us, we really can actually stop the murders and hold the guilty accountable.
Won't you join us and stop murders?
Craig...
" I can completely understand your obsession with attacking the Trump administration for actions which appear to fall within a a grey area of international law."
It truly isn't gray. If an Arab nation started blowing up people off the shores of Florida and say they were justified because, they say, they were bringing drugs to an Islamic nation, would you think that's at ALL a gray area of law? Rand Paul and other conservatives and, of course, legal experts disagree.
Craig...
"I also understand your unwillingness to assign responsibility for these actions to the cartels and countries that harbor them."
Assign responsibility to WHOM? These unknown people in the boats? They may well be completely innocent bystanders. I'd be willing to bet that's the case. And EVEN IF they are charged with being drug dealers, we legally can't just murder people accused of dealing drugs. There are laws. You know this.
Trump's actions are an attack on the rule of law and due process. Part of the reason scholars, experts and rational people are concerned about his autocratic practices and why we took action and showed up at No Kings day.
IF it turns out that they ARE guilty of crimes, THEN we hold them accountable. I and we are entirely prepared to hold guilty people accountable for crimes, that goes without saying.
The question is, are Trump's supporters?
Forget this is me. Pretend I'm Rand Paul or other conservatives who recognize these crimes for what they are.
I sometimes peruse Dan's Facebook, and he hasn't mentioned the African genocide there either.
The only way we can evaluate Dan's claims is by what we see. When he's silent on actual genocide, while vehemently vocal about a fake genocide, it's hard to take his claims of concern seriously. When he finally does address this reality, he barely acknowledges, let along vehemently condemns, the genocide. Rather he goes on an extended TDS rant about things that are totally unrelated to the genocide.
Although, it did sound like Dan wants the US to put boots on the ground ans get involved in an African civil war.
I agree that the policy of blowing up alleged drug boats, and Dan's TDS rant are two separate things. I am concerned about the policy, although I have no problem blowing up drug traffickers. I tend to prefer a little more actual evidence to be available before loosing missiles.
You do not get to dictate what the topics of my posts at my blog are. My blog, my rules. Just as respect and grace would prevent me from doing this at your cesspool, I expect the same level of respect from you. Clearly, you are incapable of showing respect. Hence, one more aborted comment.
Your lack of knowledge about the legal system is distressing. As of right now there are no "war crimes" to deal with. I don't deal in your fantasy world, so until there actually are "war crimes" I'll ignore you.
Ahhhhhhhhhh, the "I've already made a vague, bland, milquetoast, "condemnation" of these sorts of things in general, and therefore I can sit silently by and ignore specific instances." dodge. You regularly condemn specific actions when you find it advantageous, while ignoring atrocities when it involves one of your pet demographics on the bad side of things. I understand why you do this, it's just cowardly.
The fact that you are more concerned about a few made up "war crimes", than about a systematic and ongoing literal genocide simply is one more illustration of your flawed moral code.
Like virtually every other human on earth, I tend to be more concerned about those I have things in common with, than with those I don't. Not to mention that y'all on the left don't get particularly worked up when Christians or Jews are targets of violence and oppression.
To be exceedingly clear. I absolutely have more concern for those who Jesus referred to as my "brothers and sisters in Christ" and who are "fellow heirs to the Kingdom of YHWH", and they are being martyred for their faith.
"Prayer that changes people can do a great deal, as here on Earth, we don't see God objectively stepping in to take specific actions to stop war, for instance."
To be clear, you are praying to a god who doesn't ever intervene in events on earth, to intervene and "change people" so that they will intervene. That makes total sense.
Maybe you should get out of your parochial southern town and go use your NVDA skills to protect your "brothers and sisters". Maybe YOU need to go intervene.
"God's people do."
Yet, you sit silently only offering "thoughts and prayers" to a god who is so impotent that he can't intervene or act except through people.
"I haven't. What I AM leery of are those who say things like that without taking actions that help."
Maybe you don't understand southern. "Y'all" is PLURAL, it was a reference to the loud voices on your side of the political spectrum who demonize anyone who offers "thoughts and prayers" to any victims. Take a look at the vile, hateful, comments made by DFL officials after the Annunciation shooting, they were widely reported. By "taking actions that help" you ignore the inherent contradiction of you doing exactly what you are "leery" of.
For example, wouldn't keeping someone with more than 10 violent crime convictions off of the street "help" prevent many of the recent murders we've seen? By all means, step up and "take actions that help" stop the genocide.
FYI, most Christians would argue that prayer IS help.
4. Gotcha, you haven't done anything to protest of help. Convienient. Not even a measly Facebook or blog post.
5. "As you turn a blind eye and minimize murders and war crimes here..."
Lying won't obscure that fact that you've been publicly silent about the genocide of thousands of Christians in Sudan and Nigeria, as well as famine that dwarfs the alleged famine in Gaza. But you bitched a lot about the fake genocide and famine in Gaza. Hypocrisy seems to fit you.
What a crock.
Until you can specifically and vehemently condemn that genocide of Christians by Muslims, I have no interest in finding common ground with you.
Your monomaniacal obsession with false accusations and hatred of Trump simply can't be healthy. That you combine that with keeping your head in the sand about what is happening across the globe and in the US involving one of your pet demographics, just emphasizes your hypocrisy. If you are really interested in stopping murders, how about advocating for criminals with multiple violent felonies to be incarcerated instead of free to kill again.
"It truly isn't gray."
Oh, well, why didn't you say so? Of course I'll bow to your magnificent repository of expertise in international law. Your brilliant attempt to misrepresent the Geneva Conventions was so magnificent that your upcoming dissertation on this aspect of international law will be equally insightful.
FYI, I have made it clear that I am NOT a fan of Trumps actions, yet somehow you've managed to ignore that and accuse me of holding a position I do not hold. But, I expect that from you.
"Assign responsibility to WHOM?'
1. The people in the boats. Are you suggesting that they do not have agency and are automatons with no control over their actions?
2. The cartels.
3. Countries like Venezuela, Mexico, and Columbia that harbor and protect the cartels.
"These unknown people in the boats?"
As noted above, yes. They chose to get in the boats, and engage in behavior that fits the profile of drug smugglers, so FAFO.
FYI, my preference would be to interdict these boats with SEALS and grab those in the boats, or wait until they shoot first. FYIx2, That is much more dangerous and more likely to result in the loss of US military personnel. What would be the best option is for Venezuela, Mexico, or Columbia (or any other state with a strong narco presence) to stop protecting and profiting from drug trafficking, and control it on their end. Or track the boats until they are in US waters and deal with then there.
"The question is, are Trump's supporters?"
What an incredibly stupid question.
They may well be completely innocent bystanders. I'd be willing to bet that's the case. And EVEN IF they are charged with being drug dealers, we legally can't just murder people accused of dealing drugs. There are laws. You know this.
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