Monday, August 14, 2017

Honesty

I have to note the irony of Dan closing comments on the post following a long discussion of his honesty by lying twice.

Lie #1, he claimed I've been saying he's cowardly.   I've actually been saying that he's afraid of acknowledging and dealing with the Truth.

Lie #2, is that I haven't answered his questions.  

Irony is amusing.  So is Dan.

15 comments:

Marshal Art said...

Actually, if Dan is afraid of dealing with the Truth, and in fact does not, that would be a rather compelling display of cowardice. Of course, I indeed accuse him of cowardice. He has never admitted being wrong, even when there is overwhelming arguments and evidence showing he has been...which happens with alarming frequency.

Craig said...

I realize it could merry be a semantic difference, but in the interest of being accurate and of pointing out his rather cavalier attitude towards the Truth, I felt compelled to make the point.

But, I don't know if I buy that fear always equals cowardice. For example, if Dan faced his fear, and dealt honestly with things then he would not be a coward.

Now, it could well be cowardice, but in this instance it's more about his lying than about the specific reasons he's deleted my comments.

Craig said...

Not going to do a whole post on this, just wanted the time stamp.

Mr. you're welcome to comment any time is once again threatening to delete comments that expose his continued hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to providing proof for his claims.

He won't, he demands that we prove claims we haven't made, he deletes. Then he'll lie about it.

Childish, petulant, fearful, cowardly,lazy, I don't know.

Craig said...

It's starting, the demands to prove the unprovable, and the deletions when the impossible isn't done.

Craig said...

Just to keep things public and time stamped. Dan expects me to prove a claim that a) can't be proven and b) is something that he just made up. The deleting continues as does the unwillingness to actually live up to what he demands from others.

Dan Trabue said...

You said, and I quote,

"1. Perception is not reality
2. Perceived problems are not real problems."

YOUR words. I'm asking you to support your claims.

You can't, of course, because sometimes perceptions ARE reality. Sometimes perceived problems ARE real problems.

Clearly, you made a mistake. I'm just asking you to admit it or, failing that, to prove that perception is not reality.

But you can't.

Thus, I expect you to provide support for YOUR literal words. YOUR literal claim. Or to admit that you misspoke. Stop misrepresenting reality. It makes you seem petulant.

Ball. Your court.

~Dan

Craig said...

Nice try, I note that you've left out what you added to what I said.

The literal fact is that perception and reality are two different things.

Reality is literal, it's testable. It's real.

Perception is not tangible.

But, continue to make stuff up if you'd like.

Craig said...

A quick look at the dictionary turns up the shocking news that perception and reality are not synonymous. Even more to the point YOUR perception is not reality.

Perception is by nature subjective, while reality is objective.

Craig said...

Oh, if your going to demand that I support my words, how about you start by supporting yours?

Dan Trabue said...

The literal fact is that perception and reality are two different things.

sigh. No, literally, not. Not necessarily.

If I look at the sun and see that it is bright, my perception is that "oh, the sun is bright." And, indeed and in reality, it is bright.

Perception: the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.

When we perceive correctly (and we do it all the time), then our perceptions can be reality.

You are literally mistaken. No problem, just admit it and move on.

Or don't, this dance is tiresome and I'm done. Argue with the dictionary and reality all you want.

~Dan

Marshal Art said...

Then you're lying, because your "perceptions" aren't necessarily, or even most of the time, reality. The GOP being racist for one, is not reality. That it is perceived to be by anyone (that would be center-left people who lack honesty) is either a defect in the ability to perceive reality or an abject lie. I'm convinced it is the latter since there is no way to prove the charge.

Craig said...

Actually you're mistaken. Just because you perceive reality accurately, doesn't mean your perceptions ARE reality. In the case of the sun, the reality is that it's bright no matter how you perceive it. In the case of your "race problem" perception, your substitution of your perception for the reality is incorrect. In this case you'd need to demonstrate that your perception aligns with objective reality. For that to happen, you'd still need to prove that the reality matches your perception. Which then requires that you provide proof of the objective reality.

But, I'll go with the dictionary over you any day.

Marshal Art said...

Dan often makes unsound comparisons to support his "perceptions".

Craig said...

Of course he does, he also deletes the truth, and makes false claims about why.

Craig said...

I guess one response when one wants to be safe from truth, is to delete comments.