Earlier I was falsely accused of being a Trump supporter, clearly this is false as my public record indicates. Given that, I can assess the goings on in a more dispassionate way than others. The irony is that if Trump is impeached and forced out of office (in a wordy case scenario), I'd be fine with that as I've often said that Pence (as were the rest of the VP candidates), would be a better president than Trump.
To be fair, I think that impeachment is almost always a bad idea especially without significant criminal activity, but in this case I'd have no political problem with the results.
I think too many anti-Trumpers think that they can magically replace Trump with Clinton.
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"Given that, I can asses(s) the goings on in a more dispassionate way than others."
I get that. The problem that you (and I) have is that if you say anything other than negative about Trump, you (and I) will be labeled a Trump supporter when the truth his you're simply assessing (you missed an important "s" in your sentence) logically the story at hand. I get it. I do. But I suppose as a society we've largely lost the skill of evaluating ideas rather than judging people ... and that's not just a "rightwing" thing.
Sorry, I wrote this on my phone.
But I do agree.
I've made your last point elsewhere to no avail.
It seems like we've lost the ability to judge actions with reasonable objectivity because we've judged to person first. I've not been thrilled with the last few presidents, but I've been able to support some things and oppose others based on my view of the merits, not my view of the person.
Just saw an anti-Trumper on FB, who's advocating for Flynn to be prosecuted for lying to the FBI. Personally I'd be fine if an investigation showed that such an action was warranted. But, shouldn't intellectual consistency dictate that if Flynn goes down for lying to the FBI, that Clinton should also.
The other FB thing is the "Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about one thing" that's going around. The problem is that Bill lied under oath, which most legal types call perjury.
I don't know what grounds there are for impeachment of Trump. And impeachment doesn't mean he'd necessarily be removed from office.
As to the Flynn issue, I don't think there's any evidence he did anything wrong in the first place. I've yet to see transcripts that indicate he actually tried to negotiate anything. Even the notion that he "lied" to Pence is shaky at best. The whole thing is a great farce...another attempt by the left to disparage and discredit a fairly elected president. If there's any real wrongdoing in the Flynn situation, it's how the administration failed to stand by their guy. He's a highly decorated dude who is deserving of better treatment and should be given a great benefit of the doubt by Trump and Pence. Let the accusers prove their accusations are true. THEN dump the guy. By all accounts, Flynn is an honorable man. This is a case of the administration flinching. The problem is that it is blood in the water to the left. Trump needs to stand by his people hard and fast...especially if he did good vetting when he chose his people.
And here's another thing: I'm rather sick of this whole notion of being or not being a Trump supporter. I've decided I very much am...as long as I think he's doing something right. As I've stated, there are a few things with which I'm not thrilled. I haven't forgotten his character issues that kept me from supporting him in the primaries. But I've read a few things that make me believe there was too much made of them. That is, while he may be a scumbag, he might not be a really bad scumbag or at least not so bad that I can pretend he's truly beneath me...if you know what I mean.
But as to his policies thus far, I think he's on the right track mostly and in that, yes, I'm a supporter. I'm certainly not down with his position on trade or LGBT "rights", for example, but his appointments I think are largely good ones, if not better, and he's showing great support for Israel, which is good. I think he'll move to shore up our military readiness. And there are other things for which, as an American, one should be well pleased.
So when asked, the response should be, "that depends". Make the inquisitor be specific about what is meant by "Are you a Trump supporter". Since he's been doing quite a bit of good thus far, it's not exactly accurate to say that I'm not supportive.
I'm not suggesting there are grounds for impeachment or removal, just that I was already a bigger Pence fan than a Trump fan. I suspect that the anti-Trump crowd would be just as hostile to Pence as they are to Trump. Which would point out some hypocrisy on their part.
Frankly, for many of the reasons neither of us supported Trump in the primaries (and why you didn't vote for him the general election), the left is more outraged than they would have been had a Mike Pence or Ted Cruz...or any other GOP candidate...won over Hillary. It's bad enough that Hillary was defeated, as she was just so entitled to be president of course, but for Trump to be the one to do it is beyond their ability to fathom even if they were honest enough to concede all the problems and baggage that Hillary carried into the fray. So would they be "just as" hostile to Pence? I don't think so, though it might not be an easy thing to determine.
I suspect that they would be just as hostile to Pence as to Trump even though that demonstrates the dishonesty inherent in their position.
You're correct in that they still can't understand how someone as flawed as Trump beat Clinton, and they certainly can't imagine that Clinton's own flaws could have been the reason.
I also don't think they understand how much they're attacks on all of the GOP nominees damaged those who were less flawed than Trump, but got shredded anyway. I remember Dan at one point saying something like not a single one of the GOP field was qualified to even be considered because of there lack of honesty and character. So by trashing all the good ones we were left with Trump.
But hey, why let reality get in the way.
Regarding Dan, he was one who has often stated that he felt the GOP was at its end. Kinda seems the reverse, doesn't it? Likely we'll see at some point another reversal, because that's how these things work. How much the divisiveness and intolerance of the left results in more center-right victories will only be mitigated by mistakes and missteps from Trump. If he doesn't do any really stupid, I think we'll see the left marginalized even more, and defections from the dark side to the right.
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