https://winteryknight.com/2021/02/08/crime-rates-up-after-democrats-sided-with-blm-and-antifa-against-police/
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/twin-cities-rocked-uptick-serious-133710796.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdpUXU1cTA4OV91QWhXTVpzMEtIUXJRQnlNUUZqQURlZ1FJQVJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZuZXdzLnlhaG9vLmNvbSUyRmFtcGh0bWwlMkZ0d2luLWNpdGllcy1yb2NrZWQtdXB0aWNrLXNlcmlvdXMtMTMzNzEwNzk2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzAxZEw4MDFvTnBOOXNVcUM4T1h2TUg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEtYYO8xNvryaQcMLF_OCZyQksJFvoBtCFL0O7o-BuwI2mzHjn2tljs_89Hw7vyf0oUcjghEkkIVnmqcmC177fkbvgbXRywCdlI0MFsHvxbC-Hca1fWp31KQUbnlROt0D0eiGoby3zcYcRkKyFDKNjx6T9-GRISU2CuKStOkUxDU
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What?! Progressive minded people are listening to black voices and BLM and those opposed to oppression? Are you surprised?
And how is that a bad thing?
We're not "opposed" to cops, we want a more just, less oppressive system of dealing with community matters to stop systemic problems that are a known problem with the police system. This will BENEFIT police.
As to WK's suggestion that things might be BETTER under GOP administrations... well, the minorities who keep electing Democrats disagree, and with good reason. But you can call them stupid for avoiding the party of the overt racists and xenophobes in favor of the problematic party that is imperfect but a better solution, in the minds of the vast majority of minority groups.
I don't think they're stupid, but then, I listen to them.
You say that as if supporting black people and being opposed to systemic oppressions in our system is a bad thing.
You are right, these massive increases in crime have absolutely no relationship at all with this current “defund the police”, “fry them like bacon”, cops are engaged in “genocide”, movement we’ve seen of late. There’s clearly no connection between those who govern the cities hardest hit, and this massive increase in violent crime.
Nothing to see here, move along.
"Are you suggesting that Black Lives matter are dad people?"
I'm sure that some of them are dads, some are moms, some are good, and some are bad. Of course, I've not ever mentioned BLM in this post or thread, which raise the question of what in the hell are you thinking.
"That they're the bad guys in the story?"
Again, I've never mentioned BLM. Why would you ask questions about something that isn't mentioned? Other than obfuscation.
But it's interesting, if BLM members were to chant about the pigs "frying like bacon", which could reasonably be interpreted as a death threat to the police, then wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that threatening police with death is a bad things?
"How many active participants with black lives matter do you know, personally?"
I've never polled the multitude of black people I know, and have no reason to. I know how much you love to extrapolate your anecdotes out to make general statements. Personally, it's just a stupid way to obfuscate.
"Do you consider them bad people, violent, deadly?"
Them who? Am I, as you so often do, broad brushing every single person who has any connection with or support for BLM as you suggest? No, that would be stupid, and I haven't or wouldn't do so.
"Engaging in attacks for no reason?"
Again, without anything specific, it's an absurd question. I can't/wouldn't dream of trying to speak for people that I don't know. Although I suspect that many people think that there are valid reasons for the actions engaged in by those on the left both in 2020, as well as the current wave of rioting, burning, and looting by leftists.
But, excellent job of using your preconceptions and prejudices, to try to misrepresent what has actually been said and turn it into something entirely different.
Just so you know. The first link is an example of me listening to "black voices", looking at "hard data", and doing research.
"Progressive minded people are listening to black voices and BLM and those opposed to oppression?"
How did you get to this from two articles detailing increasing crime rates. How do increasing rates of violent crime (crime where the victims are primarily those you'd call "oppressed") fight against "oppression"? Y'all think you an car jack your way to ending oppression?
"Are you surprised?"
no, I'm not surprised that a year of protests against the police and calls to "defund" or "disband" the police, and of police officers being hung out to dry in some cases, that violent crime has risen. I'm not surprised that you chose to ignore the data, and the reality, in order to push the thread toward your narrative. I'm not surprised that you are too blind to see the possibility that the people governing these cities, and those advocating to "defund/disband" the police, might have some relationship with this crime wave. Nothing you do or say surprises me, no matter how self serving it is.
"And how is that a bad thing?"
In general, I think that most people would say that higher rates of violent crime is a bad thing. If one looks at the polling done, of "black voices" in high crime areas, you might be surprised that the majority want more help from the police, not less.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx
https://www.newsweek.com/81-black-americans-dont-want-less-police-presence-despite-protestssome-want-more-cops-poll-1523093
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/17/21292046/black-people-abolish-defund-dismantle-police-george-floyd-breonna-taylor-black-lives-matter-protest
Craig... "I've not ever mentioned BLM in this post or thread, which raise the question of what in the hell are you thinking..."
And...
"Again, I've never mentioned BLM..."
The article YOU cited had this headline...
CRIME RATES UP AFTER DEMOCRATS SIDED WITH BLM AND ANTIFA AGAINST POLICE
So, your argument isn't with me so much as it is with the "black voice" who wrote the headline.
The problem you have then is whether or not the claim is factual.
Have crime rates risen?
Have the democrats (at least a significant number of them) sided with BLM?
Have the democrats (again, at least a significant number) either sided with or remained mostly silent about ANTIFA?
If ANTIFA is really intended to fight fascism, and if fascism is primarily found on the right, then wouldn't the left support fighting fascism? Thus ANTIFA?
What political party controls the governments of the majority of the cities where BLM protests took place?
The point of both my thread and the piece I linked to was that the data shows an marked increase in violent crime following the events of last summer. Again, I've not mentioned BLM in anything I've said. Beyond the headline, the piece never mentions BLM.
Excellent way to try to focus away from the data.
This issue has been referenced for several months now. Living near Chicago, we have a weekly tally of shootings and deaths, the vast majority of which are black-on-black crimes in the worst neighborhoods.
If a specific cause can be cited, it would have to be the disregard for law and property rights is emboldened by the attacks on law enforcement due to the lies about the deaths of people like George Floyd. These deaths have been exploited to push a false narrative and now police departments are more demonized than ever before. They're handcuffed in many situations, which leave them less willing to put themselves at risk only to face attacks later. Add to that the knowledge that leftists in city government are even more likely these days to be lenient with the criminals and the consequences can't be anything better than horrible for the innocent.
And since Dan couldn't help but bring it up, BLM is responsible for much of this attitude the effects on effective law enforcement. Dan thinks the resolution lies somewhere within police reform. This is rank idiocy. The solution demands reform of the public...more specifically that faction of the public with the greatest disregard for law and least respect for law enforcement.
I saw a study today that claimed that police shootings of black people have dropped in cities where BLM has protested. Given the minuscule number of "bad" police shootings, this doesn't seem statistically significant. However, if MPLS is an example, the drop is probably attributable to other factors. 1. The declining number of police on the streets. 2. The hesitation of police to place themselves in a situation where they are at risk.
Of course, the study didn't (from what I saw) track the increases in other violent crime that we are seeing.
The question seems to be this. If lowering the number of police killings of "unarmed black men" from 14 to zero, comes at a cost of an increased number of black victims of crimes committed by non cops, is that trade off worth it?
I also agree that when cities and counties allow blatant lawlessness for extended periods of time, that it will tend to encourage further lawlessness in the future.
"What?! Progressive minded people are listening to black voices and BLM and those opposed to oppression?"
Really, how do massive increases in violent crime lead you to that conclusion?
"Are you surprised?"
No, I'm not surprised that a summer of demonizing the police has resulted in more violent crime.
"And how is that a bad thing?"
If you don;t know why more crime is a bad thing, then I can't help you.
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