Unless you are workers uniting to peacefully protest things that the political left supports, in which case don't unite. Because if you do unite, they'll start talking about bringing the weight of the government down on you to break up the peaceful protests.
As these "right wing" protesters in Canada continue and expand their peaceful protests, one wonders where are the burning and looting that seem to accompany peaceful protests here in the US?
Maybe Canadians really are too nice to burn and loot.
I think it's awesome that local individuals are making food for the peaceful protesters. I think it's less awesome that Facebook, and GoFundMe are trying to interfere with the peaceful protesters.
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Craig... "one wonders where are the burning and looting that seem to accompany peaceful protests here in the US?"
I suspect that you are making yet another one of your vague and unsupported accusations against liberals and/or BLM allies, because this is the way that modern conservatives tend to operate, in the model of their godling, Trump.
If so, then once again, you have not and cannot point to even 100 - OR EVEN TEN - cases where peaceful BLM protesters got involved in violence or looting that were demonstrably proven to be BLM/liberal protesters.
How many violent situations were violent because THE POLICE got violent?
How many violent situations were violent because RIGHT WING agitators provoked violence? You know that this is a thing they do, right?
How many violent situations and/or looting were done by opportunists not connected to BLM?
We don't know, so far as I have seen.
So, until such time as you can demonstrate with data that even .1% of the looting and violence were done by liberals or BLM allies, I don't care too much about your vague and spurious allegations.
When you start assigning motives or drawing conclusions about me based on what you "suspect", you're likely going to be wrong. Yet you keep doing it, as if what you "suspect", accurately reflects anything except your own biases, and prejudices
No idea, of course neither do you. how many cases got violent because the protesters were threatening the police and escalating the confrontation?
I don't know, neither do you, and I've not seen anyone convicted.
Again, don't know, and neither do you.
The problem is that I'm comparing the current peaceful protests in Canada, with the so called "peaceful protests" in the US in 2020.
FYI, your argument from silence (We don't know, therefore it wasn't BLM or anyone associated with BLM, or anyone connected with BLM, or anyone who supports BLM), isn't really a convincing argument.
Why would you demand that I prove a claim that I haven't made?
"When you start assigning motives or drawing conclusions about me based on what you "suspect", you're likely going to be wrong. Yet you keep doing it, as if what you "suspect", accurately reflects anything except your own biases, and prejudices"
That's because Dan needs to demonize opponents in order to pretend he has the moral high ground.
"If so, then once again, you have not and cannot point to even 100 - OR EVEN TEN - cases where peaceful BLM protesters got involved in violence or looting that were demonstrably proven to be BLM/liberal protesters."
Yeah, Craig, because a "movement" begun on the basis of racism in the deaths of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown simply wouldn't be comprised of black people who actually believe there is some truth to the lie that innocent, law-abiding, unarmed black people are routinely killed by cops. That's just not at all possible.
What is possible...actually true...is Dan's a clown and a sheep.
"How many violent situations were violent because THE POLICE got violent?"
Almost none. The police have a job to do, and being present at any large gathering is within their job description for the sake of public safety. Thus, it no violent situation became violent because of police presence, but because of the response to police presence by agitators within the crowd of "peaceful protesters".
"How many violent situations were violent because RIGHT WING agitators provoked violence?"
Also probably none, but lefties like to categorize white supremacists as "right-wing", while they support black racists of BLM.
"How many violent situations and/or looting were done by opportunists not connected to BLM?"
How many of those connected to BLM wear their BLM decoder rings and backpacks?
Dan tries so hard to portray BLM as a benevolent society as oppose the marxist, race-baiting group of miscreants they are. Until he provides evidence they've actually done some real tangible service for the benefit of black people in need...and that means law-abiding, honest people...then he's just blowing smoke out his backside. He's a clown.
Art,
You make an excellent point. BLM was founded on a series of lies. Virtually everyone that BLM has raised up as a hero, has been far from a model citizen.
But as long as they claim to want "justice" (and threaten violence and riot unless they get it), there will be folks who'll give them a pass for just about anything.
How nice it would be if all those organizations Dan supports (BLM, Amnesty Int'l, etc) were actually doing the work for which Dan claims they're worthy of our praise. I'd like that.
How nice it would be if folks like Dan would acknowledge that it's possible to have a large protest that is peaceful, and that we're seeing how it's done in Canada. Or even that the oppressive steps taken by the Canadian government and it's racist PM justify this peaceful protest.
Craig... "How nice it would be if folks like Dan would acknowledge that it's possible to have a large protest that is peaceful..."
? Of course I can acknowledge that peaceful protests are possible! I've seen them. I've been there in person. Over and over again. I've never been part of a protest that wasn't peaceful.
Are you going to blame violence that happens at the same time as a protest is going on is there going on on the protesters who are protesting peacefully?
?!
How is that rational?
So if cops are shooting rubber bullets and firing tear gas into a crowd making it not a peaceful protest, you're gonna blame the protesters? How's that rational?
Nicer to see that truckers around the world are adopting the strategy, with a group of them in this country doing so as well. Makes me wish I was an owner operator, rather than a company driver!
Then I'm sure you'll be praising the truckers for holding such a peaceful protest.
"Are you going to blame violence that happens at the same time as a protest is going on is there going on on the protesters who are protesting peacefully?"
I've addressed this when Minneapolis was burning in 2020. I've always been careful not to mix the two groups. However, I think it's naive to thing that the milieu of a large protest can't act as the catalyst or provide cover for rioters. Further, the peaceful protesters in Minneapolis could have taken multiple actions that would have distanced them from, or stopped the rioters, yet they chose not to. In the interest of being consistent, I don't blame one person or group for the actions of another person or group.
I never said it was rational. How is it rational to make assumptions based on your prejudices, and ask "questions" that assume your assumption to be correct?
"So if cops are shooting rubber bullets and firing tear gas into a crowd making it not a peaceful protest, you're gonna blame the protesters?"
Excellent job of putting forth a hypothetical that doesn't provide enough context to answer the question.
"How's that rational?"
You're right. A hypothetical that is devoid of context, isn't rational.
I'm also glad to see this. It's gratifying to see that it's beginning to work. It's kind of amusing to see the racist, liberal, PM trying to deprive the truckers of their right to protest and failing so miserably. It's heartening to see the ordinary citizens engaged in civil disobedience in defiance of the absurd attempts to stop the protest.
"Are you going to blame violence that happens at the same time as a protest is going on is there going on on the protesters who are protesting peacefully?"
What an insanely stupid, but typical, question! Of course there are those who would never resort to violence. That's got nothing to do with those among the crowd who are guilty of doing so. Mob mentality is inherent in large groups of people...also known as "mobs"...and is easily directed by those from within who are willing to act in one direction or another. There's no way to tell how many assembled are willing and eager to exploit the situation. What happened on Jan 6 was the first time a Trump rally turned badly and that was the result of the actions of a tiny fragment of the incredibly large turnout of Trump supporters. Most reports of such gatherings describe them as celebrations of happy people who love America. Because of Jan 6, we can no longer truthfully say that gatherings of conservative-leaning people are always peaceful. Jan 6 broke the streak. No honest lefty...assuming there is such an animal...can pretend the same is true for leftist gatherings. It wouldn't be a rational assertion.
"So if cops are shooting rubber bullets and firing tear gas into a crowd making it not a peaceful protest, you're gonna blame the protesters?"
That never happens where protesters have made arrangements with local authorities to hold their protest and adhere to the terms of it. It only happens when protesters stray from the game plan to disturb the public in some way that no group would be allowed to do. To lie and say that cops simply open fire on "peaceful protesters" is contemptible. This isn't the 60s with Democrats putting down Civil Rights marches.
Art,
What's interesting is that Dan's question ignores one of the narratives being spun about the 1-6 protest. The claim is that multiple people died as a result of what happened on 1-6. Yet they include deaths that happened months later from causes unrelated to the protest. There is a concerted effort to hold the 1-6 protesters responsible for deaths that are completely unrelated, yet I'd guess Dan isn't bothered by that.
I'd say this, and I think you'd agree. If there is actual unequivocal evidence of police simply walking up to protesters who were peacefully protesting, not threatening violence, and not violating any laws, and opening fire with non lethal projectiles, then I think we'd both condemn that. The problem is that there's no evidence of that happening. I'm sure there are anecdotal stories, it's hard to take seriously anyone who has an incentive to lie in order to protect themselves.
I'd further suggest that here in MN, it's impossible to take the actions of the police out of the context of multiple instances of direct death threats, attacks of police with deadly weapons, and the like that had happened in the year or so before the 2020 riots.
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