Hamas leader Sami Abu Zuhri openly admitted in this podcast that Hamas knew what the consequences of October 7th would be—and that they’re fine with the outcome. He claimed that for every person who died, there would be ten more, and that homes can simply be rebuilt. This isn’t the first time a psychopathic Hamas leader has spoken about the people of Gaza with such cold indifference. To them, Palestinians in Gaza are just numbers. Maimed and killed children are seen as collateral damage—mere tactical losses, as Khaled Mishal himself once shamelessly stated. It’s beyond disgusting—and deeply destructive. These men still hold 2.3 million Gazans hostage, sacrificing their lives, futures, and dignity to maintain their own grip on power. If Palestinians are to have any hope for a better future, Hamas must be held accountable and removed from the scene. DOWN WITH HAMAS!
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While the facts presented are inescapable, it does tend to suggest that Jew-hatred by Gazans is inextricably tied to Hamas. But they voted for Hamas knowing the Jew-hatred Hamas has and they were fine with it. They continue to celebrate any and all harm visited upon and suffered by Jews. Thus, to eliminate Hamas ensures nothing with regard to peaceful relations between the Gazans and Israel.
While there is definitely evidence of that, I wonder how much of that is expedience. As we continue to see anti-Hamas protests (although not much covered by the MSM or supported by the ASPL), it seems possible that the pro-Hamas sentiment could have been less full than suspected.
People tend to support being governed by entities like Hamas because they talk a good game and preach superiority/victory until they can't live up to the promises.
I'm not disagreeing with you, there's too much evidence for that, but I am suggesting that it's maybe not as cut and dried as it seems.
I pretty much dismiss the seeming growth of Gazan rejection of Hamas because of the destruction visited upon them by a more effective fighting force responding to the attacks for which the Gazans voted. That is to say, how much rejection of Hamas would there be if Hamas was more effective in murdering Jews and protecting Gazans from Jewish response?
Interesting. That hundreds/thousands of Gazans are publicly protesting Hamas, at risk of death, is simply opportunism.
I generally don't assume that people are risking their lives so cynically. At least not in a blanket sense.
Given Hamas bloodthirsty ways, it seems likely that anyone who publicly opposes them risks life and limb. Given that exit from Gaza is prohibited and the likelihood of negative consequences for trying to leave, perhaps it's a no win situation and they are finally desperate enough to risk life and limb.
Even if you are correct in your assumption, it seems noteworthy that even in surveys support for Hamas was never 100%. Like any (semi) national entity, the chances of 100% support for those in charge is virtually zero.
There's simply not enough information to justify agreeing with your assumption.
The only info I need at the moment is their having voted for Hamas in the first place. Did they not know the plans Hamas had, what with their charter and all?
"Interesting. That hundreds/thousands of Gazans are publicly protesting Hamas, at risk of death, is simply opportunism."
They're dying anyway, are they not? Even if not at the rate they like to say in order to gin up sympathy, the strip is pretty much an actual hellhole. They know more hell is coming so long as the hostages remain and are at further risk.
But yeah, mine is indeed speculation, but not at all without sound basis. I remain convince that if Hamas is truly eliminated, hatred for Jews and the desire to see them exterminated won't be. It will manifest in perhaps a different manner and at a time when they think it's safe to do so. That's consistent with islamic history.
Which might be the case if you actually had that information. I can only assume that the elections in Gaza were by secret ballot, and I suspect that those ballots and names are unavailable at this moment.
Yeah, I get it. It's much better to sit passively on the sidelines and wait to die as collateral damage than to take a risk and protest against terrorists who'll kill you. Maybe Von Stauffenberg should have had that attitude. Much better if he'd hidden and been killed by bombs, right?
You're right that Hamas is not the only organization that hates Jews, yet the world would be a better place without Hamas. It seems that the best possible solution would be for those in Gaza to rid the world of Hamas by themselves.
Are you saying that's not the history of islam? To feign peace after seeking to murder, convert or enslave until such time they can begin again? Have I been imagining that?
I agree that the Gazans should rid themselves of that which they stupidly supported and put in power, but they seem to be waiting for the IDF to do it. I hope some of them are involving themselves, but I'm as yet unaware it's happening at all to any great extent. But again, the history of the fake pallies includes the desire to eliminate Jews, so how can anyone suggest that desire has somehow dissipated just because they might not like how Hamas has been inviting such destructive retaliations?
No. I'm saying that in the absence of evidence it makes no sense to judge those protesting Hamas based on some broad brush assumption.
If they feign peace and reload, then kill them. This notion that we eradicate an entire group of people because of what they might do is exactly the same argument used to ban guns in the US. Unfortunately, we live in a world full of evil, and we usually don't punish people for things they haven't done.
I'm suggesting that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a pragmatic maxim that's been useful international relations for decades. I can only assume that you disagreed with the US alliance with the Soviets to defeat Germany since the Soviets had clearly stated their goal to conquer the capitalists and rule the world.
If providing some sort of support to the anti-Hamas protesters ends the war, eliminates Hamas, gets the hostages back, then I see no problem with it.
Here's a crazy notion. Maybe the anti-Hamas folks will be so happy that we saved them that they'll actually change their ways. You know, like Japan.
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