Saturday, June 30, 2018
I’m not going to argue with him.
“The truth is that there is no black race-and there is no white race. So the idea of “racial reconciliation” is a false idea. It implies that there is more than one race. This is absolutely false. God created only one race-the human race.”
Monday, June 25, 2018
Curious
If a city government engages in the the same types of racist behavior over a long period of time, isn't there a point where you might think that electing members of the same political party over and over again would be a bad idea? Or, that it might be reasonable to assign some level of responsibility or blame tho the political party that has been in power for decades?
Sunday, June 24, 2018
An opinion
“Chick-fil-A: Serves ANYONE who walks through their doors.
Red Hen: Refuses service to people associated with Trump.
That’s the difference between a Christian Conservative business and a Liberal business.”
A random tweet from earlier.
Thursday, June 21, 2018
Agreement
I think it'll make sense for me to just point out which of Dan's points I agree with, for two reasons.
1. It'll save time
2. It begins with common ground.
So, without further ado, here we go.
"2. I would still have check points and background checks as we do now, ...
3. Engage in public/private/ONG partnerships that will provide safe havens in countries where a high degree of danger exists.
4. Implement a targeted effort to improve living conditions in countries with high numbers of people who want to immigrate.
5. Implement a more accurate/faster screening system.
6. Eliminate quotas based on country of origin.
7. Work with other countries to facilitate spreading out immigration. As a very large and extremely wealthy nation, our fair share would be larger than smaller nations with fewer resources. Of course.
8. Base immigration policy on evaluation of individual situations.
9. Establish a four pronged system to effectively deal with different types of immigrants. 1. Highly skilled immigrants, 2. Refugees, 3. Lower skilled immigrants, 4. Criminals/terrorists. If there were any priorities given, it would be to those fleeing violence/starvation."
All of the above, as edited, I agree with. If anyone in congress put forth a bill with the points listed above I would support it.
What I would add.
A. I would add more places outside of the US where the screening (or pre screening) can be done early. My hope would be that the screening could be done while the immigrants are in transit to expedite either entry or repatriation.
B. Expand the number of entry points, the number of screeners, and adequate areas where immigrants can stay while going through the screening process. Especially expand the number of spaces suitable for families.
C. Rethink the use of foreign aid money away from government to government aid and toward government to private or ONG aid.
D. Given the ability of the US military to transport, feed, house, provide medical care and other basic services to large numbers of people find innovative ways to involve the military in the processing and care of immigrants.
The question before us now, is how Dan will react to this. Will he agree that the two lists above would be something that the two of us could agree to compromise on and agree that something like the above would be a a policy that we both could support (if it was actually proposed as a bill), or will he decide that he can't compromise at all.
My hope would be that he could find a spirit of compromise.
Either way, I'll look at the rest of his list another time.
1. It'll save time
2. It begins with common ground.
So, without further ado, here we go.
"2. I would still have check points and background checks as we do now, ...
3. Engage in public/private/ONG partnerships that will provide safe havens in countries where a high degree of danger exists.
4. Implement a targeted effort to improve living conditions in countries with high numbers of people who want to immigrate.
5. Implement a more accurate/faster screening system.
6. Eliminate quotas based on country of origin.
7. Work with other countries to facilitate spreading out immigration. As a very large and extremely wealthy nation, our fair share would be larger than smaller nations with fewer resources. Of course.
8. Base immigration policy on evaluation of individual situations.
9. Establish a four pronged system to effectively deal with different types of immigrants. 1. Highly skilled immigrants, 2. Refugees, 3. Lower skilled immigrants, 4. Criminals/terrorists. If there were any priorities given, it would be to those fleeing violence/starvation."
All of the above, as edited, I agree with. If anyone in congress put forth a bill with the points listed above I would support it.
What I would add.
A. I would add more places outside of the US where the screening (or pre screening) can be done early. My hope would be that the screening could be done while the immigrants are in transit to expedite either entry or repatriation.
B. Expand the number of entry points, the number of screeners, and adequate areas where immigrants can stay while going through the screening process. Especially expand the number of spaces suitable for families.
C. Rethink the use of foreign aid money away from government to government aid and toward government to private or ONG aid.
D. Given the ability of the US military to transport, feed, house, provide medical care and other basic services to large numbers of people find innovative ways to involve the military in the processing and care of immigrants.
The question before us now, is how Dan will react to this. Will he agree that the two lists above would be something that the two of us could agree to compromise on and agree that something like the above would be a a policy that we both could support (if it was actually proposed as a bill), or will he decide that he can't compromise at all.
My hope would be that he could find a spirit of compromise.
Either way, I'll look at the rest of his list another time.
Dan's immigration plan.
After a bit of prodding and respectful pressure, Dan came up with a list of specific policy proposals that he believes would help to improve the immigration situation in the US. I'm posting his comment in it's entirety to maintain the context that he wrote it in. I'm also posting it here, and will be responding here, because I would rather not be subject to the restrictions on commenters that Dan often implements. I will deal with each point or points in a separate post, to allow for some focus on the specific point and to make it easier to keep track of.
Finally, while I realize that the nature of a discussion is that it will wander away from strictly sticking to the original topic and don't want to stifle that natural tendency to drift, I reserve the right to delete, edit, or relocate comments comments that go too far astray. Personal attacks, foul language, and general vitriol will be grounds for adjusting comments.
------------------------------Dan's Post----------------------------------
SOME OF WHAT I WOULD SPECIFICALLY PROPOSE FOR HANDLING IMMIGRATION AND FOREIGN POLICY CONCERNS...
1. End the criminalization of Immigration, especially and specifically for those seeking safety/a better life.
2. I would still have check points and background checks as we do now, but it would NOT be a crime if you ended up across the border without the proper documentation. I would not take children from their families if they were found across the border without documentation. It would be a paperwork problem, and you would be required to get your paperwork in order, but NOT a crime, because it isn't a crime, morally speaking. Criminalizing seeking safety IS a crime.
3. Engage in public/private/ONG partnerships that will provide safe havens in countries where a high degree of danger exists. 3a. FUND THE STATE DEPARTMENT sufficiently, this can be done by ending the huge investments in the Defense Department, as many military leaders request be done. This is done recognizing that more nations being stable and safe reduce the need for military responses.
3b. Make financial reparations for all the poorer nations that we have exploited or caused damage to. We should begin, for instance, by paying our war crimes debt to Nicaragua, but it would extend far beyond that.
4. Implement a targeted effort to improve living conditions in countries with high numbers of people who want to immigrate.
5. Implement a more accurate/faster screening system.
6. Eliminate quotas based on country of origin.
7. Work with other countries to facilitate spreading out immigration. As a very large and extremely wealthy nation, our fair share would be larger than smaller nations with fewer resources. Of course.
8. Base immigration policy on evaluation of individual situations. IF someone reports fleeing danger/starvation, take that claim seriously, because turning away someone in such circumstances would be criminal.
9. Establish a four pronged system to effectively deal with different types of immigrants. 1. Highly skilled immigrants, 2. Refugees, 3. Lower skilled immigrants, 4. Criminals/terrorists. If there were any priorities given, it would be to those fleeing violence/starvation.
10. Since we would have decriminalized immigration, Sanctuary cities would probably disappear... but to the degree that any cities were still providing sanctuary for whatever reason, Good on them, may their tribe increase. Providing sanctuary IS the business of government when it's properly working, as well as the business of individuals, churches and other civic groups.
11. Anyone who lies about their status, age, or any material fact that would give them an advantage to immigrate, will be permanently blocked from access to the US... would be a policy that would go away because it is presumptuous and probably racist. Anyone who lies about their application BECAUSE they wish to cause harm would be held accountable, as all people who wish to cause harm are held accountable. Lying about one's age or other points for reasons of escaping violence is a reasonable thing to do. Nonetheless, it will be discouraged and we'll let people know that the old way of criminalizing immigration is done away with.
With criminalized immigration and the demonization and racist tropes espoused by the current administration go away, it will become apparent that the old sheriff is gone and a new, more reasonable and adult and moral day has come.
Finally, while I realize that the nature of a discussion is that it will wander away from strictly sticking to the original topic and don't want to stifle that natural tendency to drift, I reserve the right to delete, edit, or relocate comments comments that go too far astray. Personal attacks, foul language, and general vitriol will be grounds for adjusting comments.
------------------------------Dan's Post----------------------------------
SOME OF WHAT I WOULD SPECIFICALLY PROPOSE FOR HANDLING IMMIGRATION AND FOREIGN POLICY CONCERNS...
1. End the criminalization of Immigration, especially and specifically for those seeking safety/a better life.
2. I would still have check points and background checks as we do now, but it would NOT be a crime if you ended up across the border without the proper documentation. I would not take children from their families if they were found across the border without documentation. It would be a paperwork problem, and you would be required to get your paperwork in order, but NOT a crime, because it isn't a crime, morally speaking. Criminalizing seeking safety IS a crime.
3. Engage in public/private/ONG partnerships that will provide safe havens in countries where a high degree of danger exists. 3a. FUND THE STATE DEPARTMENT sufficiently, this can be done by ending the huge investments in the Defense Department, as many military leaders request be done. This is done recognizing that more nations being stable and safe reduce the need for military responses.
3b. Make financial reparations for all the poorer nations that we have exploited or caused damage to. We should begin, for instance, by paying our war crimes debt to Nicaragua, but it would extend far beyond that.
4. Implement a targeted effort to improve living conditions in countries with high numbers of people who want to immigrate.
5. Implement a more accurate/faster screening system.
6. Eliminate quotas based on country of origin.
7. Work with other countries to facilitate spreading out immigration. As a very large and extremely wealthy nation, our fair share would be larger than smaller nations with fewer resources. Of course.
8. Base immigration policy on evaluation of individual situations. IF someone reports fleeing danger/starvation, take that claim seriously, because turning away someone in such circumstances would be criminal.
9. Establish a four pronged system to effectively deal with different types of immigrants. 1. Highly skilled immigrants, 2. Refugees, 3. Lower skilled immigrants, 4. Criminals/terrorists. If there were any priorities given, it would be to those fleeing violence/starvation.
10. Since we would have decriminalized immigration, Sanctuary cities would probably disappear... but to the degree that any cities were still providing sanctuary for whatever reason, Good on them, may their tribe increase. Providing sanctuary IS the business of government when it's properly working, as well as the business of individuals, churches and other civic groups.
11. Anyone who lies about their status, age, or any material fact that would give them an advantage to immigrate, will be permanently blocked from access to the US... would be a policy that would go away because it is presumptuous and probably racist. Anyone who lies about their application BECAUSE they wish to cause harm would be held accountable, as all people who wish to cause harm are held accountable. Lying about one's age or other points for reasons of escaping violence is a reasonable thing to do. Nonetheless, it will be discouraged and we'll let people know that the old way of criminalizing immigration is done away with.
With criminalized immigration and the demonization and racist tropes espoused by the current administration go away, it will become apparent that the old sheriff is gone and a new, more reasonable and adult and moral day has come.
Tuesday, June 19, 2018
Two for one
1. I keep trying to thank Dan for his helpful explanations of what his expert really means when using words like “none” and “never”, and for clarification about “seeking safety” not actually being criminalized. I think there is some confusion about these things and I appreciate his clearing it up.
2. How about if we take the hundreds of millions of dollars we give Mexico and Central America in aid, and just use it to expedite the immigration process, or just give each family a big check.
2. How about if we take the hundreds of millions of dollars we give Mexico and Central America in aid, and just use it to expedite the immigration process, or just give each family a big check.
If only this were universally true
“Human beings are one thing, human just like you and me of the same flesh, blood and tears.“
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