One thing I’ve seen recently that deserves comment is how some self-described christians adopt the language of Orthodoxy when it’s convenient to make a political point. A couple of examples.
1. Seeing those who don’t believe in an Orthodox view of creation, those who place Darwin and Science above God when it comes to the subject of origins, all of a sudden embrace the idea that people are “created in the image of God”.
2. Seeing those who deny or minimize the concept of Jesus being God incarnate, jump all over the “God was born in a...”.
3. Seeing people try to separate MLK’s faith from his social activism, and who only give his heirs attention when they agree with certain political positions.
I spent the weekend with someone who blows away many of the stereotypes about how African Americans view many of the hot political topics of the day. I guarantee that if I was to attribute many of her comments to a white person, the comments would be labeled racist. Certainly her view of scripture would draw fire from many self-identified christians.
Finally, to those who make demands while refusing to live by the standards you demand of others, your actions undermine your words.
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Is that like this kind of person? "Don't be crazy! Just because Scripture explicitly says that Christ died in our place so we could be justified by His blood and saved by Him from the wrath of God is no reason to believe that Christ died in our place so we could be justified by His blood and be saved by Him from the wrath of God. You can't take Scripture literally. Now, when it says, 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God' (Luke 6:20), Jesus is specifically talking about those who are poor and not those who are merely 'poor in spirit'. What's the matter with you? Don't you take Scripture literally?"
Yes, it’s something like that. It’s, I’ll use the language of “creation”, but deny that act of creation. Or I’ll use the language of “God”, but deny the existence of God. It’s all about using whatever is convenient to make the point at that particular moment, but not so much about consistency.
Or, it’s the “hyperbole” or “figurative language” excuses.
I know that pointing out facts don't often help you understand them, just to address at least one or two erroneous claims...
1. We who don't believe in a young earth do NOT "not believe in an Orthodox view of Creation..." Unless you're conflating the rather modern human (and rather silly) theory of a Young Earth with orthodoxy. But that would be a factual mistake, too.
The problem here is you're making a claim that you can't support (because the facts don't support the claim) that YEC is an "orthodox" view held throughout all of Christendom. Sure, I'm sure that prior to, you know, the development of science, early Christians had no reason not to assume a pretty young earth, but it wasn't like it was a matter of orthodoxy... one of the Views that Must Be Held to be a "good" Christian. It was just something they figured, like they didn't figure you could operate on a human heart or drive a car or that it was wrong to own slaves or that women should have equal rights, etc, etc. That is, you're conflating the ignorance (no shame in that) of ancient peoples with "orthodoxy."
That's just a wrong mistake. Just like suggesting a geocentric view of the universe is "orthodox." What people believed prior to better knowledge is not the same as orthodoxy.
2. We do NOT place "Darwin and science above God." We place OUR reason above a lack of reason exhibited by YEC. That is, disagreeing with y'all is NOT the same as disagreeing with God. As always.
You're welcome (not that you'll appreciate the correction... or even recognize the reality of it all).
DOESN'T, not "don't," in my first sentence.
Dan,
1. You’ve made a huge, unsupported, unwarranted, and false assumption that I’m referring to your version of YEC as the Orthodox position.
2. You are making a huge, unsupported, unwarranted, false assumption that I’m referring to you. In fact there are many who lean toward your side of things who do put “Darwin” and “Scientism” above God. If I was to include you, I’d add “Reason” to the list.
3. While you’re welcome to comment here, you still have some work to do before commenting any further.
So, do what needs to be done and dial back the assumptions that everything is about you.
FYI, I’m giving you grace by leaving these comments, but that’s as much grace as I’m prepared to extend.
Clearly you either have reading comprehension problems or you’ve just decided that you will just ignore reasonable requests and just repeat your unsubstantiated, unsupported, false conclusions.
Once again, you’ve gotten all the grace I’m prepared to extend at this point, or you can keep this up until reality sinks in.
You’re really determined to ignore the reality of this post as well as ignoring my reasonable requests.
The hypocrisy is strong and growing stronger. I guess it’s easier to retreat to your domain and to demand things of others that you’re too stubborn, clueless, or scared to do yourself.
Now he says he DID answer you. Thus, I suggest repeating your question exactly as originally asked, and explaining how Dan's response fails to answer it. Has to be done everytime lest he continue to tap dance. Copy/pasting makes this rather easy.
Then he’s simply a lying sack of Trump. I’ve singled out only 3-4 questions of the many he’s dodged recently because they bear on his false witness regarding immigration policy. I’ve regularly checked the original post and the one where I brought it up again and there’s not an answer to be seen.
His strategy is to claim he’s answered some questions while pretending the questions he’s dodged for months don’t exist.
I’m not going to enable his laziness.
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