Tuesday, August 21, 2018

Convicted

Paul Manafort was convicted today on numerous charges of election fraud, collusion with the Russians, and various other tamperings with various elections.  Thank goodness.

It seems that Cohen has implicated Trump in using campaign funds for illegal payoffs.   If there’s evidence, let the impeachment begin.    But, until the evidence comes out let’s remember,   Cohen’s claims don’t make Trump guilty, and why would someone with access to literally billions of dollars use campaign funds for payoffs?


16 comments:

Marshal Art said...

Thank goodness? Why "that goodness"?

Craig said...

Because it’s about time the election tampering and collusion were rooted out and punished.

Marshal Art said...

I'm not sure you're clear on that which Manafort was convicted. I'm pretty sure it was all financial/banking type stuff. More to the point, none of it by either dude seems to have any real connection to either election tampering or Russian "collusion" by the Trump campaign. It it's about their own, to whatever extent there was any, then it's another "nothing burger", since there's even less impact on the election.

Now we see that in the Cohen case, which tries to tie Trump to campaign violations, there's really no such thing with regards to that, either.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/was_the_strange_language_in_michael_cohens_guilty_plea_a_setup.html

There's still no more than desperate hopes that this fishing expedition will hook Trump. The wasteful spending will continue.

Craig said...

What, do you really mean that there has been no evidence of collusion with Russia? Than none of Meuller’s targets have been convicted of election tampering? But, that’s what they told us.



Art, that’s exactly my point. For all the hoopla about the work of the special counsel, and all the narrative about collusion, they have nothing about the alleged reason for the investigation.

Most of what people have been convinced for predates Trump’s campaign.

It’s all about a bunch of lemmings who uncritically buy into a narrative and stick with it no matter what the facts say.

FYI, apparently Feo has Trabue under some sort of spell. Dan seems compelled to deny truth to stay on the good side of his groupie. You know what they say, “You can’t control who you love.”

Marshal Art said...

I was hoping you'd respond in this way. Unfortunately, we still don't have a sarcasm font that would make getting the joke easier. :)

feo almost makes Dan seem rational. His hatred of Trump is deranged. He can't let go of the character flaws that NO ONE dismisses, while needing to believe that those who voted for him have done so or don't care about such things. In the meantime, like so many, he lacks the honesty and character to admit that Trump has performed well as president, and thus far hasn't been anywhere near the horror so many, including myself though voting for him, feared he would or could be. Indeed, it is more than merely possible, that no other candidate in the GOP primaries could have accomplished what Trump has accomplished in such a short time.

Marshal Art said...

BTW, I plan on adding my two cents at Dan's latest post, but I doubt it will last long before he deletes it. Maybe I'll copy it so I can paste it 1000 times over and over again! :D

Craig said...

I would say that trump has done some things as president that I agree with, but that he's mostly overshadowed those things with all the incredibly stupid stuff he does. I still would not be able to support him in good conscience despite the positive things he's done.

What a novel idea, posting the same comment thousands of time at someones blog. It's a petty and juvenile response and I can't imagine a rational adult actually engaging in such a childish poly to gain attention. It's the blog equivalent of a tantrum.

I've made my point over there, Dan can't help himself from lumping people into his categories no matter what evidence to the contrary is out there. His playing to his groupie is amusing nonetheless.

Craig said...

Dan,

I'm sure you'll delete this, as you so often do when inconvenient truth is posted here. The fact is, you've demonstrated the point I hoped to make by my comment. You've allowed and engaged in the telling of lies, attacks on my character, and slander (which you claim to abhor). The fact that you continue to demand that I simply parrot your irrational hatred of Trump demonstrates that you're all about control, not conversation.

The fact that I've not supported trump is incontrovertible, the fact that I can disagree with people with out sinking to your level isn't my problem, it's yours. The fact that you've grown another groupie, and allow him liberties you decry on others as "evil", is simply you wanting positive attention.

I'd be a little shocked if Dan hasn't already deleted this little bit of truth, but it's here for those who care about things like truth and accuracy.

Feodor said...

You whine about being deleted but talk shit about me? I changed the way Marshall has to conduct his blog. That's called get back. You're just empty of ability and shallow of mind.

Craig said...

Who’s whining about being deleted. I’m just pointing out the obviou, that Dan has threatened to delete me if I don’t jump through his hoops. Given his history of lying about comments he deletes, I’m being prudent, not whining.

Yes, you’ve engaged in petulant, childish tactics in an attempt to control the content, dictate the terms of engagement, and dodge providing the detailed, defined plan you’ve been asked for.

The fact that you won’t do what’s been asked, and play your little games isn’t something to be proud of or to crow about.
Now, the exception to the rule is over, and your back to your previous status.

No detailed defined plan, no comments.

Craig said...

Again, not whining, simply stating the fact of the situation. Taking preemptive action to prevent misrepresentation.

Marshal Art said...

I posted this at Dan's, but in the event that he deletes it, I offer it here:

https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2018/08/22/bad-men-good-presidents-n2511320

The above article only touches on a few of the good things Trump has done as president that already makes him far superior to the idiot who warmed the bench for the previous eight years. A guy this effective in moving the needle to conservatism is worthy of support, so long as he continues without engaging in the types of shenanigans for which a Dem would get a pass. And that's really what it means to support the guy...one is really supporting his presidential agenda, which is good for the nation. This of course does not mean one must agree with absolutely everything, because one would be hard-pressed to do so with any president.

And to clarify something you said, his achievements have been overshadowed by his "stupid stuff". But that's mostly because his detractors in the media choose to focus on that stuff rather than on the important and beneficial things he's done. How many are aware of the respect he's commanded of the Chinese, who no longer look at the United States president as a pushover? They're freaked out by this guy as no one has ever stood up to them as he has. The same is true of Russia. He is FAR from Putin's puppet as so many like to believe. Trump's been far more a thorn in his side than any president since Reagan was toward the Soviet Union. Iran? N. Korea? Same sh*t, different country. I'm absolutely amazed at what this guy has accomplished, despite his weirdness. He gets things done. Good things. And to my knowledge, he has not engaged in any behavior of the type that made me hold my nose when I punched his number. If this continues, I won't have to hold my nose next time, and his history of boorishness will be of even less consequence.

If anyone from the GOP tries to run against him, I've no doubt it will be some worthless RINO or, heaven help us, Kascich. I don't think Cruz or Rubio or someone like that will get in his way of another term should he decide to run again.

Put another way, I don't support Trump the man so much as I support Trump the president. There's no one who shouldn't given what he's done thus far.

Craig said...

It may be true that the media magnified the stupid stuff, but he still does it. Which is probably even stupider

Marshal Art said...

Barring any actual criminal activity that can be legitimately attached to him, Trump's done nothing so stupid so as to mitigate the benefits of his good works as president. This is particularly true given the insignificance of the "stupid stuff" that he does. I don't care that he tweets or what he tweets. That isn't important at all. It's meaningless, except as it continues to highlight the nonsense constantly aimed at him by all the haters. This should piss off the electorate as well, even those who voted against him (or worse, didn't vote at all), since they focus of the media should be on that which matters, not all this crap that doesn't. Imagine if the media didn't waste time with the "stupid stuff". His accomplishments would be front and center where they belong and his approval numbers would soar even higher. And rightfully so given that his most important task is to perform, not perform in a way that doesn't offend us personally. Yeah...I'd prefer he was totally Emily Post, but that's not who he is. Until he does something truly horrid as president, it's all distraction and deceitfully so. It ain't Trump that is dividing or harming the nation at this point. It's those who waste time with incidental nonsense that has no effect on anything.

Craig said...

Sorry, I have to disagree. It’s not so much the content of his tweets, as it is the fact that he’s apparently to stupid to understand what he’s doing when he tweets stupidities. But the stupid “little” stuff prevents him from doing the “good” stuff or makes it harder to do so.

Look, he’s a shallow, crude,petty, boorish, narcissist who is a serial adulterer, and who has closely associated himself with people who are criminals. The fact that he’s done some “good” things and has some policy issues I agree with in principle, doesn’t obscure the fact that his flaws obscure and overshadow anything else.

The fact that he’s oblivious to the fact that he’s giving ammunition to those who are out to destroy him, just makes it worse.

Marshal Art said...

Again, they overshadow because they're made to overshadow by those in the media who hate him. Note how they never said anything negative about Obama. Those of us who paid attention to what matters knew he was worthless. But the same isn't happening here because so much attention is given to this "stupid stuff". His tweets aren't really worth the time of day to those who are paying attention to the fact that he's done more than "some" good things. He's done quite a bit, more than that which isn't...very much more.

As to his adultery, what adultery has he committed since becoming president? I know of nothing, and as such the time for concern for such is over. None of that has anything to do with his behavior as president.

Look...he's an imperfect man. There's no argument whatsoever on that score. But his flaws are overblown and still are wholly insignificant to the vast good he's accomplished in such a short time. That is, far more than "some" good. He's not giving ammo to anyone, as the haters don't need ammo. They will use any fart that emanates from the guy to make it out to be more than it is. That's what most of his tweets are referencing, and to that, it's to balance out all the crap that is said about him. Bush said nothing to counter the crap the lefties said about him. How'd that work out? This dude goes the other direction but in both cases, the crap is insignificant. He's getting things done that are good for America and I'm not about to let some petty nonsense get in the way of acknowledging and giving him his due credit.

Like I told Dan, you don't have to like the guy. But to reject someone who's been so effective in the office...IN SPITE OF ALL THE DISTRACTIONS AND CRAP...is folly of the highest order. As such, should he continue doing good, his flaws will be of far less importance than it was the first time around, provided he doesn't do something seriously wrong in the meantime, and I'll vote for him without holding my nose. He'll have proven himself worthy.

There is no legitimate reason for anyone concerned for what's best for America to not support him as president. He's proven himself.