There is so much about this short comment that is bizarre.
1. What exactly is the sin that should be "repented" of? 2. Should individuals "repent" for the sins of others? 3. Your first response to the death of someone who was who's done significant good for The Church is to dredge up one incident from the past. 4. Do you take this same tone with every pastor that dies, or just the ones you disagree with?
If this is how you show grace, you clearly need repentance of your own. As you constantly harp on, humans are imperfect and "make mistakes", yet somehow your tolerance for imperfection and "mistakes" varies depending on how much you agree with their theological and political position.
Dan demonstrates something that seems to pervade the ASPL. When a prominent ASPL leader dies, you routinely see conservatives who's first response to to offer condolences. Dan's first response is this graceless bullshit. Noting that CT is hardly an unbiased source of objective journalism, is a topic for another time.
Of course, I said not a single thing bad about this man. I simply noted the reality of his graceless, sexist and oppressive positions and sincerely hoped he repented for the harm done by his harmful, oppressive positions.
Much worse has been said about saints like Jimmy Carter and John Lewis.
Should I NOT hope that he at some point repented for his awful behavior and words?
I normally keep quiet at the passing of people with awful positions. I'm not feeling it this week, but still, it's not an attack or anything.
Noting the actual harm done by people is not an attack.
It IS a rather amazing thing that you choose to attack the ultra-conservative CT in your defense of oppressive attitudes and actions.
There is, of course, nothing graceless in sincerely hoping someone had repented. Do YOU think there is?
"1. What exactly is the sin that should be "repented" of?"
The atrocious sin of telling an abused woman she should stay with her abuser. How do you not know this?
"2. Should individuals "repent" for the sins of others?"
No.
But people who promote exist, misogynistic and oppressive actions - and who do so while claiming to speak for God! - should repent for their atrocious actions.
Who decides whether that was an “atrocious sin” or a mistake? Why does one who commits that particular “atrocious sin” forfeit grace? Why would you assume, what objective data have you seen, that leads you to jump to the conclusion that there has been no repentance? Why, is your first response to the death of someone who’s served YHWH so faithfully for so many years to immediately dredge up something negative?
Yet you seem to be demanding that Mc Arthur repent for something he may or may not have done, based on your unproven hunch about something that you think should be an “atrocious sin”. That you subjectively consider something “atrocious”, doesn’t mean that your hunch is correct.
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He was one of my favorite teachers. He's gotten his reward for his faithfulness.
Mine as well.
Hopefully, he had repented of this...
https://www.christianitytoday.com/2023/02/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse/
There is so much about this short comment that is bizarre.
1. What exactly is the sin that should be "repented" of?
2. Should individuals "repent" for the sins of others?
3. Your first response to the death of someone who was who's done significant good for The Church is to dredge up one incident from the past.
4. Do you take this same tone with every pastor that dies, or just the ones you disagree with?
If this is how you show grace, you clearly need repentance of your own. As you constantly harp on, humans are imperfect and "make mistakes", yet somehow your tolerance for imperfection and "mistakes" varies depending on how much you agree with their theological and political position.
Dan demonstrates something that seems to pervade the ASPL. When a prominent ASPL leader dies, you routinely see conservatives who's first response to to offer condolences. Dan's first response is this graceless bullshit. Noting that CT is hardly an unbiased source of objective journalism, is a topic for another time.
Of course, I said not a single thing bad about this man. I simply noted the reality of his graceless, sexist and oppressive positions and sincerely hoped he repented for the harm done by his harmful, oppressive positions.
Much worse has been said about saints like Jimmy Carter and John Lewis.
Should I NOT hope that he at some point repented for his awful behavior and words?
I normally keep quiet at the passing of people with awful positions. I'm not feeling it this week, but still, it's not an attack or anything.
Noting the actual harm done by people is not an attack.
It IS a rather amazing thing that you choose to attack the ultra-conservative CT in your defense of oppressive attitudes and actions.
There is, of course, nothing graceless in sincerely hoping someone had repented. Do YOU think there is?
To answer your questions...
"1. What exactly is the sin that should be "repented" of?"
The atrocious sin of telling an abused woman she should stay with her abuser. How do you not know this?
"2. Should individuals "repent" for the sins of others?"
No.
But people who promote exist, misogynistic and oppressive actions - and who do so while claiming to speak for God! - should repent for their atrocious actions.
Hopefully Dan's political preferences and "progressive" "Christian" "pastors" and congregants will repent of their many sins.
Who decides whether that was an “atrocious sin” or a mistake? Why does one who commits that particular “atrocious sin” forfeit grace? Why would you assume, what objective data have you seen, that leads you to jump to the conclusion that there has been no repentance? Why, is your first response to the death of someone who’s served YHWH so faithfully for so many years to immediately dredge up something negative?
Yet you seem to be demanding that Mc Arthur repent for something he may or may not have done, based on your unproven hunch about something that you think should be an “atrocious sin”. That you subjectively consider something “atrocious”, doesn’t mean that your hunch is correct.
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