Sunday, March 15, 2020

Oh look, more quotes and links about alternative moral systems.

Apparently the previous list of alternatives to Dan's moral code either wasn't enough, or he's already demonstrated the superiority of his hunch, but has hidden it somewhere else.  So, I thought I'd give him some more things to consider.   I suspect, he'll complain that I haven't provided anything for him to address or that this is all "fringe".  I'm waiting for him to prove those.

Just for fun I actually included some actual fringe options.



"Our beliefs systems are very valuable to who we are as persons, but not all religious or legal viewpoints coincide with what is the morally right thing to do. This is the domain of ethics and as such we should be systematic and objective in our application."

Morality might not be objective, but ethics is?

 http://sites.stedwards.edu/ursery/class-resources/what-is-a-moral-system/

San Diego University with 6 Moral Theories.  Hint Dan's isn't even in the top six.

http://home.sandiego.edu/~baber/gender/MoralTheories.html


"We'll never truly be able to distinguish between "right" and "wrong" actions. At best, we can only say that morality is normative, while acknowledging that our sense of right and wrong will change over time.

At any given time in history, however, philosophers, theologians, and politicians will claim to have discovered the best way to evaluate human actions and establish the most righteous code of conduct. But it's never that easy. Life is far too messy and complicated for there to be anything like a universal morality or an absolutist ethics. The Golden Rule is great (the idea that you should treat others as you would like them to treat you), but it disregards moral autonomy and leaves no room for the imposition of justice (such as jailing criminals), and can even be used to justify oppression (Immanuel Kant was among its most staunchest critics). Moreover, it's a highly simplified rule of thumb that doesn't provision for more complex scenarios. For example, should the few be spared to save the many? Who has more moral worth: a human baby or a full-grown great ape? And as neuroscientists have shown, morality is not only a culturally-ingrained thing, it's also a part of our psychologies .
What should the goal be? Maximising happiness, minimizing pain, etc.? "Maximising morality" or "minimizing immorality" are bad ideas here, because then you have to define morality/immorality- which is what the goal is supposed to be to begin with."
 https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_best_moral_system_Is_there_such_a_thing
 https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/
 https://listverse.com/2015/05/05/10-completely-unorthodox-systems-of-morality/
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c. Modern Morality

The two main moral theories of modern virtue ethics (or neo-Aristotelianism) are Kant’s deontological ethics and utilitarianism. Both theories have been adopted and modified by many scholars in recent history in order to make them (more) compatible with the latest demands in ethical reasoning and decision-making, in particular, by meeting the objections raised by modern virtue ethics. The following briefly depicts Kantianism in its original form and the main features of utilitarianism.

i. Kantianism

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant is the founder of deontological ethics. His ethics, which he mainly put forth in the Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals (1785), Critique of Practical Reason (1788), and Metaphysics of Morals (1797), is one of the most prominent and highly respected theories in modernity. Kant’s ethics is deontological in the sense that one has to obey the duties and obligations which derive from his supreme principle of morality, that is, the Categorical Imperative: “Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law” (Kant 1785). The Categorical Imperative is a test for maxims which, in turn, determine whether certain acts have moral worth or not. A maxim is an individual’s subjective principle or rule of the will (in German, das subjektive Prinzip des Wollen), which tells the individual what to do in a given particular situation. If the maxim can be universalized, then it is valid and one must act upon it. A maxim cannot be universalized when it faces two severe instances: (i.) the case of logical inconsistency (the example of suicide, which is against the “perfect duty”); and, (ii.) the case of impossibility to will the maxim to be universalized (failing to cultivate one’s talents, which is against the “imperfect duty”). Perfect duties are those duties that are blameworthy if they are not met by human beings (for example the suicide example); imperfect duties allow for human desires and hence they are not as strong as perfect duties but they are still morally binding and people do not attract blame if they do not complete them (for example failing to cultivate one’s talents). Kant’s ethics is universal in the sense that the system of moral duties and obligations point at all rational beings (not only human beings). Morality is not based in interests (such as social contract theories), emotions and intuitions, or conscience, but in reason alone. This is the reason why Kant’s ethics is not heteronomous – by being a divine ethical theory in which God commands what human beings should do (for example the Bible, the Ten Commandments) or natural law conception in which nature itself commands what human beings should do by providing human beings with the faculty of reason who, in turn, detect what should be done in moral matters – but truly autonomous with regard to rational beings, who make their moral decisions in the light of pure practical reason. However, pure practical reason, in determining the moral law or Categorical Imperative, determines what ought to be done without reference to empirical contingent factors (that is, anthropology in the broad sense of the term including the empirical sciences; see preface to Groundwork) such as one’s own desires or any personal inclinations (in German Neigungen). The pure practical reason is not limited to the particular nature of human reasoning but is the source and the field of universal norms, which stem from a general notion of a rational being as such (see, Eisler 2008: 577; Paton 1967; Timmermann 2010; Altman 2011).

ii. Utilitarianism

Historically speaking, Jeremy Bentham in his Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation (1789) and John Stuart Mill in Utilitarianism (1863) are the founders of utilitarianism, while Francis Hutcheson (1755) and William Paley (1785) could be seen as their legitimate predecessors by pointing out that utility should be seen as an important standard of evaluation in ethical reasoning and decision-making. Bentham claims that the duration and intensity of pleasure and pain are of utmost importance and that it is even possible – according to Bentham – to measure the right action by applying a hedonistic calculus which determines the exact utility of the actions. The action with the best hedonistic outcome should be put into practice. His position is called radical quantitative hedonism. Mill instead questions the very idea of a hedonistic calculus and argues that one must distinguish between mental and bodily pleasure by giving more weight to mental pleasures. His position is called qualitative hedonism. Mill’s basic formula of utilitarianism is as follows:
The creed which accepts as the foundation of morals, Utility, or the Greatest Happiness Principle, holds that actions are right in proportion as they tend to promote happiness, wrong as they tend to produce the reverse of happiness. By happiness is intended pleasure, and the absence of pain; by unhappiness, pain and the privation of pleasure. (Mill’s Utilitarianism, chapter 2)
There is widespread agreement that there exist numerous different utilitarian theories in modern ethics; hence it would be impossible to provide an adequate depiction of all important major strands in this brief subsection. However, the following four main aspects are typical for each utilitarian theory. (1.) The consequence principle: Utilitarianism is not about actions but about the consequences of actions. This kind of theory is a form of consequentialism, which means that the moral worth of the particular action is determined by its outcome. (2.) Happiness: Utilitarianism is a teleological theory insofar as happiness (but, not in the ancient sense of the term) is the main goal that should be achieved. This particular goal can be identified with (i.) the promotion of pleasure, (ii.) the avoidance of pain or harm, (iii.) the fulfilment of desires or considered preferences, or (iv.) with meeting some objective criteria of well-being. (3.) Greatest Happiness Principle: Utilitarianism is not about mere happiness but about “the greatest happiness” attainable. Utilitarianism is a theory with one principle that judges the consequences of a given action regarding its utility, which is the general aim of actions. The moral rightness or wrongness of actions depends on the goal of achieving the greatest happiness for the greatest number of sentient beings, in short, “the greatest happiness for the greatest number”. (4.) Maximising: The collective amount of utility regarding sentient beings affected by the action should be maximized. This line of reasoning contains strong altruistic claims because, roughly speaking, one should only choose those actions which improve other sentient beings’ happiness.
Furthermore, one major methodological distinction should be mentioned briefly since it really divides all utilitarian theories in two different groups by either applying the principle of utility to actions or rules. In act utilitarianism (or direct utilitarianism) the principle of utility is applied to the particular action; in this case, one asks whether the action in question is morally right or wrong in this particular situation. In rule utilitarianism (or indirect utilitarianism), instead, the principle of utility is applied to rules only which, in turn, are applied to the particular actions and serve as guidelines for human behaviour in order to guarantee the greatest happiness for the greatest number. Here, the vital question is whether a specific rule maximises the general utility or not. From time to time, it happens that the general utility will be maximised by rule utilitarianism to a lesser degree than it would have been the case regarding act utilitarianism. For example, one should act according to the general rule which says that one should keep one’s promises which – in the long run – maximises the general utility (rule utilitarianism). However, in some cases it would be better to adhere to act utilitarianism since it maximises the general utility to a higher degree depending on the particular situation and circumstances of the case in question (act utilitarianism)."

https://www.iep.utm.edu/anci-mod/

4 comments:

Marshal Art said...

Have been trying to force myself to wade through this post, as it is too heady for me as I'm in the midst of so much personal stuff. But a quick read leads me to believe that Utilitarianism sums up what Dan's true position, given the things he defends. He wants that those like myself "do no harm" to those he defends. His morality doesn't really cover those he defends as much as it does those he desires won't impeded those seeking their "Greatest Happiness".

I seek to do no one harm. Even when I'm provoked, and my thoughts turn to all the ways I know how to hurt and damage, I can't help but realize there is no way to do that and be right with God, the One I most hope to please.

But doing right is far more important than doing no harm, as harm can be inflicted when doing the right thing. Thus, my understanding of the Golden Rule does not allow for "doing no harm" as the proper point of concern.

Craig said...

Art,

I think it's reasonable to conclude that Dan's philosophy is to some degree utilitarian. Certainly his commitment to an "ends justify the means" ethic would lead to that conclusion.

The problems his "do no harm" moral code are many.

Certainly as a general guideline, it makes sense, yet it's not complete enough to really be a moral code.

1. It's essentially a passive concept that can be fulfilled by apathy.
2. It literally contradicts that actual words of Jesus in the actual GR/Greatest Commandments. Jesus is advocating not a passive, apathetic "do no harm", approach in the least. He is commanding us to actively go out and do good things for everyone, including those who hate us. That's much more radical and difficult than simply, passively not harming anyone.
3. Reality tells us that occasionally it is necessary to harm one person for the good of others. Can anyone really argue that harming Hitler in 1938 would have been a much better outcome for the millions of dead and wounded caused by Hitler's rule? Can anyone really argue against the harm of removing a limb, in order to save a life?
4. Dan's primary argument for this moral code rests on an alleged consensus of "major" religions. Yet he ignores all other non religious worldviews that might upset his consensus, as well as doctrines within the religions he does use that directly contradict his moral code.
5. Dan doesn't apply or live out his own moral code equally. He is clear that lying causes harm, yet he engages in it and protects others who regularly lie. Of course, he's accounts for this in his big dodge. His dodge is that even though he is presenting a "near universal" moral code, the reality is that people suck at living up to it and therefore get credit for agreeing to a code that they don't actually attempt to live by.
6. Dan clearly wants the benefits of a universal, objective moral code (as he perceives them) without the baggage of an actual universal, objective moral code. He obviously derives great satisfaction in telling others that they are immoral (or that their behavior is immoral), yet he can't actually provide any foundation that gives him the justification to make that (seemingly objective) claim.
7. There are multiple philosophies that state that self interest (self advancement, self happiness) is the highest goal. Scientists tell us that we are genetically hard wired to advance our genetic legacy as the primary goal of living things. Yet, this worldview (claimed as objectively true by science) contradicts both Dan's "do no harm" moral code and Jesus teachings in the GR/Greatest Commandments. It seems strange that someone who is so attached to "science" when he sees an advantage, is all of a sudden decrying the moral code advocated in a book lauded as incredibly influential as "fringe".

Craig said...

8. The very nature of Darwinian theory (a theory that scientists say should be accepted even without evidence), is "survival of the fittest", yet this fundamental notion goes against Dan's moral code. There is no way to harmonize this philosophy, and what we see in nature, with Dan's "near universal" moral code.
9. Dan offers the existence of "nature" as evidence that homosexuality is a good thing. Even though homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end, and what we see as same sex sexual activity is much closer to rape than it is to anything else, Dan offers it as evidence that supports his moral code. But at the same time he offers "nature" as proof of one of his opinions, he denies "nature" when it conflicts with his moral code.

Obviously, most people would prefer not to harm others. But to elevate that preference to some sort of all encompassing moral code, is incomplete at best.

In this case, as with most cases with Dan, it's not necessary to figure out where he falls, or anything else. It seems enough to point out the flaws in his hunches, point out rational alternatives, and watch him ignore, mock, and ultimately run away from anything that casts doubt on his hunches.

Let's be incredibly clear. He only wants to be able to refer to you and I, or others who engage on behaviors he doesn't like, as immoral based 100% on what he acknowledges is only an opinion. He won't compare and contract his code against any of the options I've presented, because he knows that he's got nothing besides "it's my opinion", and because he's demonstrated time and time again that he just isn't motivated enough.

So, don't worry about categorizing his opinions, they aren't consistent enough to really do so anyway. Just be confident that he won't actually put in the work to prove his claims and that simple fact tells us everything we need to know.

Craig said...

“"Anthropologist Margaret Mead was once asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones. But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said. We are at our best when we serve others. Be civilized. Be safe . . . be cautious . . . be in care." (Amitabh Bachchan, Hindustan Times, New Delhi, 3/18/20)”


This is interesting because it confirms that “nature” and “do no harm” are pretty much mutually exclusive.