"It should not be controversial to assert that Palestinian lives matter just as much as Israeli lives. Or that Black lives matter just as much as white lives. These are matters of fact. The equality and value of human lives should never be up for debate."
Karen Attish
After years of the APL telling us otherwise, now all lives matter.
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Except in this case, it isn't at all true. In the case of "BLM", to say that all lives matter is a legit response. In the same way, to say that Israeli lives matter to one who would say pallie lives matter is also a legit response.
But to say the lives of murderous thugs matter as much as the lives they seek to destroy, no...they don't matter at all. Not until they repent of that attitude and join the family of man.
Every now and then we hear of some outlier from among the pallies and other islamic haters. Only this morning on Fox and Friends there was just such a person, a young man who rejected the hatred of his people and fled to our country. I didn't watch the interview, but in the commercials which spoke of it, the fellow looked familiar, so I think I've seen him tell his tale before. He sounded sincere. I hope such as him are, but we need more than mere talk given how islam allows for lying to non-believers.
In the meantime, I see no rallies on behalf of the Jews by pallies or any other large muslim group or organization. I see only throngs of haters gathered in support of haters. And I can't help but regard such as target rich environments.
I'd argue that on an ontological level, all lives matter equally. What you appear to be saying is that certain people's behaviors alter their lives value to a larger society. My point in posting this is much more about the hypocrisy of those who insisted that "All lives matter" as a response to BLM was wrong, but who now have jumped on the very bandwagon they ridiculed back in 2020.
I'm not suggesting that people's actions don't affect their "value" on some level or another, just that this is one more example (like the queers for palestine idiots) where the left is unaware of their hypocrisy/idiocy.
Just taking it a step further. I've long opposed the pallies and those who support them. They seem determined to make sure all who are not pallies, terrorists or muslims who hate Jews oppose them as well. Perri Nelson spoke of not wanting the pallies to totally destroyed. I suggested that's up to them and as things stand, I see no benefit to the world they be allowed to exist. Good gosh, it could be argued that even without the attacks on Jews, they've done next to nothing since first pretending they're a nationality to even benefit themselves, much less the rest of the region or world! I'm unaware of any remorse by them, any desire to change things. As such, I have no f**ks to give with regard to them. Not so long as better people are brutally treated by them.
I guess I can draw a distinction between those who are being used as pawns, cannon fodder, and human shields and those who are using them for those things. I'm much more concerned that the Arab leaders have kept these people in such deplorable conditions for so long, than I am with those who are being oppressed. The problem is that Israel isn't the oppressor, it's the various national leaders who refuse them asylum, and the terrorist groups that use them scurrilously. I didn't think that the entire population of Japan deserved to be eliminated, nor do I think that that the entirety of those who call themselves "palestinian" should be eradicated.
I can't agree. These people can't possibly be unaware of the true source of their suffering. While there might be one or two, there has to be a good number who are not fooled yet not courageous enough to do anything about it, or simply believe as most criminals do that what belongs to others is easier to steal then to create for themselves. It's too easy to suggest the population is awash with mere pawns and not those willfully complicit. Can you imagine being convinced of a reason to send your own kid into a crowd of people with a suicide vest strapped to him? Can you see any reason why it's a good thing to use hospitals, schools or places of worship to store weapons and to launch attacks from those locations? Can you be persuaded to stand between assholes and those they attack to shield them from just retribution?
The "pawns" angle doesn't work for me. What's more, I'm not concerned about the "pawns" of scum when my own women, children and elderly are constantly put at risk.
Then don't agree. Simply kill every single one of them regardless of their value and situation. I get it, but I don't agree with it. The same argument could have been made in WW2, yet the Allies chose not to. If you adopt the kill them all, clean out the land, then don't you simply adopt the exact same philosophy as those who chant "From the river to the sea"?
The problem is, so far as I can tell, there are none who aren't joining in on the chant. My position isn't necessarily to wipe them out, but that I'm not concerned if they would be given they've given me no reason to suspect there are any who don't believe in the total annihilation of the Jewish people. My position is that I'm not concerned with how many of their civilians die in order to defend against Israeli or American civilians dying as a result of their targeted attacks on civilians. My position is that I'm not concerned about how many of their civilians die as a result of defensive responses against those bastards who fire upon Israeli civilians from behind their own.
There's at least a generation (though I believe it goes back to the founding of their "religion") indoctrinated and brainwashed into believing the Jews are deserving of destruction. There are scant few of them who oppose that position and have fled for their lives because of it. One such person is a son of one of the founders of Hamas. He now resides in this country. Another is a guy named Shoebat, who was himself a terrorist. If I'm not mistaken, they've both not only rejected the ideology, but the religion as well to become Christians.
My bottom line is that I simply don't care how many of their people die in order to stop the murder of Israelis and Westerners. I don't wish to see anyone risk their lives because of concern for collateral damage
So, if these people are down with the cause, then to totally wipe them out would be a good thing. Failing to do that means it will never end. From the remnants will emerge another group believing they exist to murder Jews. Leftists whined about "exit plans" with regard to Iraq and Afghanistan. In war, there is only one such plan: unconditional surrender (still a risk with these people) or total annihilation. That's how wars are won.
Yes, I understand that you have a complete lack of concern for the individual human beings who might be collateral damage as Israel goes after Hamas. I also understand that your lack of concern is based on the religious beliefs of these individual humans.
I simply choose not to agree with your beliefs. I choose to acknowledge that these are people created in the very image of YHWH and that they have value due to being image bearers of YHWH.
"I also understand that your lack of concern is based on the religious beliefs of these individual humans."
You do realize, of course, that the religious beliefs of "these individual humans" encourages the murder of innocent Jews, don't you?
So it's not my beliefs which are the issue here. For if they were, I'd inform you that my beliefs include "these individual humans" repenting of their murderous ways and turn to Christ at best, or that they reject their murderous ways encouraged by their "religious beliefs". Were they to do that, or if there any among them who have done so, my belief is that they find a way to get the hell out of that cesspool and join the family of man, or rise up against those who have put them in danger, mostly by their own choice.
There are many who bear the image of God. How does that make allow them to hate and/or murder...or to celebrate murder...without consequence in the here and now?
So who is among any collateral damage is a different subject altogether, because not all the haters of Jews and lovers of their destruction are among the armed assholes. They're merely supporters. They raise their kids to hate as well. These do not constitute the same "collateral damage" which first comes to the mind of the average westerner when the term is used. I just a Gazan proudly state that if the Jews intend to bomb and attack, they might as well just get on with it because he ain't leaving his home. He didn't sound like the typical person who may be counted as "collateral damage", but like one who is solidly behind the destruction of the Jews. Yet some Jews will risk their own lives to avoid killing his ass.
My concern is with the whole of Israel, who exists under constant threat without just cause. It is THOSE people who bear God's image who incite my passionate concern. It is THEIR non-combatant civilians who aren't simply collateral damage, but targets of the assholes who seek their destruction. Should their response to such attacks result in the deaths of non-combatant "palestinian" civilians, those civilians have only themselves and those they support to blame, and I have no pity for them whatsoever.
To their fate I look back to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In a very similar way, you had a people who were supportive of their emperor who was not keen on surrender until a drastic response to his quest for domination resulted in mass collateral damage. It ended a war. Here, there's no similar plan so far as I know, but the point is when enough suffering by the people is experienced, a more speedy end to a conflict comes about. Here, it's sadly more likely to simply put a pause to it given the religious beliefs of those people. I don't believe that totally eliminating Hamas will be enough given the many similar groups which exist in Gaza and the West Bank.
And every response to murderous attacks by the islamists is met with false accusations about the Jews. So yeah. Earth would be better off without the lot of them.
I do realize that the nature of their religious beliefs shouldn't condemn them to death simply because they hold those beliefs.
It's interesting that you choose to bring up repentance now, after you've callously advocated wiping them out and expressed indifference to their suffering. I agree that repentance would be the better alternative, but they can't repent when they're dead and likely won't if they see attitudes like yours as representing Christians. Being image bearers of YHWH doesn't absolve anyone from the consequences of their actions, but the notion that the IDF should make no attempt to minimize collateral damage seems contrary to both the Judeo and Christian moral heritage.
Again, that's quite the callous and heartless attitude from one who claims he'd like to see them turn away from their actions.
The problem with Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that it ignores the fact that those targets were chosen because the goal was to strike targets that were primarily military, instead of primarily civilian. Further, the US made every effort to warn Japan and the Japanese people about what was coming. There's a difference between accepting the reality of collateral damage, while trying to minimize it, and not giving a rats ass about collateral damage.
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