Thursday, November 30, 2023

Well........

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/28/politics/deutsche-bank-trump-fraud-trial-testimony/index.html

 

I wrote about this a month or two ago, and look, pretty much what I said.

The bank Trump is accused of defrauding not only made a profit on the "fraudulent" loans, not only was happy with the result of the transaction, but also did their own evaluation of Trumps estimates and revised them to a point where the bank was happy and chose to write the loans.

 

At this point, if Trump is convicted of fraud there's no question in my mind that it is a political hit job and should be overturned as soon as it can get before an appeals court.

 

I'm not quite a sure about this as I am about the Fraud thing, but after seeing the J6 footage that had been, hidden,  and seen the body cam footage, I'm not sure that the narrative of J6 is quite as cut and dried as the powers that be insist that it is. 

 

 

13 comments:

Marshal Art said...

Trump doesn't need to be convicted of fraud to know full well that this is no more than a political hit job. Only a Trump-hater would continue with the pretense that he did anything wrong or worthy of this Stalinesque show trial.

But that's what the J6 Committee hearings was. A kangaroo court show trial. It was said to have been instituted to find out what happened, but it was no more than an excuse to persecute Trump and his followers. The released footage...even the small portion of it which has actually been studied (nowhere near 40,000 hours) affirms the vast majority of what took place was no more than misdemeanor infractions at best. No one who did no more than walk about the place should be in jail and few who did far worse did so much worse that they shouldn't have had their day in court and given a minor sentence. The most heinous abuses were the sentencing of the Proud Boys/Oath Keeper defendants.

Each of these trials and hearings are among the worst examples of egregious abuses of power we've ever seen in American history. The evil of the left is clear and the modern progressive and Dem voters are responsible for it.

Craig said...

While it may be a hit job whether he's convicted or not, I still hold out a bit of hope that the judge will do the right thing. Or that the appellate court will.

Marshal Art said...

I'd wager we'll have to wait for the appeals. This judge is a joke and clearly biased.

Marshal Art said...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/12/why_did_the_media_cover_the_congenital_liar_cohen_but_not_the_expert_witnesses_for_trumps_banking.html

Craig said...

I can't believe that a jury (even in NY) would find Trump guilty in this ridiculous case. One can only hope that the appellate bench isn't as nuts as the trial judge.

Marshal Art said...

Believe it. That's how badly TDS permeates the modern progressive population. NYC is rife with it.

Craig said...

That's kind of my point. The usual suspects have convinced many in NYC that Trump is so evil that any means necessary are appropriate to stop him. Yet, even with that built in advantage, NY chose to forgo a jury trial because it was unpredictable. All it would have taken is 1-2 jurors to hang the jury. Now it'll be tied up for a few more years and it's great ammunition against Trump.

Marshal Art said...

Who gets to choose whether it's a trial by judge versus a jury? I'll have to research that.

Craig said...

In most cases it's the defendant. It's possible that this particular court doesn't offer the option of a jury trial. If Trump willingly agreed to a judge only trial, then he's an idiot. He's got enough persuasive ability that he could likely have gotten a hung jury. But with a single judge, it's much more about bias.

Craig said...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-trial-no-jury-fraud-new-york-judge-arthur-engoron/

It appears that the suit was filed in a manner that precluded a jury trial.

Craig said...

What's interesting, is that Trump isn't being criminally charged with anything, despite the narrative, the goal is to claw back any alleged monies that the state was defrauded of. As I see it, the problem is still that the valuations of property are not static, and that the valuation of property is not an exact science. Unless this somehow allowed Trump to avoid paying taxes, (which they could claw back) I fail to see how there is measurable harm that can be quantified in dollars.

Marshal Art said...

I agree and thanks for the info regarding judge versus jury. Where the defendant can choose, I would imagine there's some attempt to secure a favorable judge or a hope that one will be appointed to take the case. But even if a favorable judge was presiding over the Trump case, there's still a risk that the judge would find the prosecution's arguments more compelling. A jury would still be Trump's best bet for the reasons you stated. Too bad he doesn't have that. A hung jury would almost be automatic, but it would likely require more than one to have any judge rule a retrial is out of the question.

Anyway, I still hope this judge will set aside his bias against Trump and rule against this fraud.

Craig said...

Yeah, it's a colossal waste of time and money in order to achieve a political goal. Here's a suggestion for the left. Pick a better candidate to run against Trump. It'd be so much easier to do.