Wednesday, September 24, 2025

Incitement?

 https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1970215400500543825?s=51&t=cLq01Oy84YkmYPZ-URIMYw

 

For all of the folx bitching that the right is the side that's all violent and stuff, this seems problematic.   While it might be protected, it is heinous and vile and every one on the left with a modicum of good sense should absolutely decry this immediately.   

35 comments:

Dan Trabue said...

sigh. Violence, bad.

Whether it's coming from the Left or Right.

Lord, have mercy, you all are so emotionally fragile and rationally inept.

I'd LOVE for you to begin to denounce decades/centuries of violence against LGBTQ folks, against women (including by the sexual predator you've voted for three times, now), against innocent immigrants.

JUST ONCE, I'd love for you to condemn the violence of the unprovoked attacks on people like Mr Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who YOUR deviant felon has repeatedly attacked with the full power of the presidency, publicly denouncing him as a "very bad man" WITH NO EVIDENCE, suggesting that him and immigrants like him are part of drug cartels and human trafficking and rapists... the most powerful privileged man in the world repeatedly attacking innocent people WITH NO EVIDENCE as if that's okay.

Denounce that dangerous shit as the vulgar, godless, graceless fascism that it is AND NOT ONLY THAT, but demand that he either prove these graceless, unsupported attacks against people who are, on the face of it, good, hard-working family members and community members.

This is NOT normal. It's NOT okay.

Just the same way that it's not okay to shoot at an ICE agency and kill immigrants, whatever one's motives are.

Step up and join us in opposition to ALL harmful acts, not just the ones that you perceive as coming from what you imagine are more liberal people.

Craig said...

Dan,

I want you to remember your responses to the left wing actions being catalogued of late. The next time there is something done by a "right wing" actor and you demand that I condemn that action, you're going to get "violence bad". If you can't condemn, harshly when appropriate, specific actions engaged in by your side of things and can only muster up the weak, vague, general statements, then don't bitch when I follow your example. Hell, you've even played this childish game since Kirk was assassinated when you asked if I'd condemned the MN legislator shooting.

Why look, you pull the same shit in this very comment. Demanding that I condemn enforcing the law in a specific case, while you play games. If someone has broken a/the law, that removes them from the "unprovoked" category. What's amazing is that you can't acknowledge that he's broken the law.

So, in short. Fuck you and your hypocritical demands. You have no standing to demand from others what you won't do yourself.

Craig said...

The difference is that you don't see conservative artists or protesters beheading, disemboweling, or dragging an effigy of a sitting president through the street. You didn't here conservatives saying that the MN legislators or the UHG president deserved to be shot. You didn't hear people advocating for the rest of Hortman's family to be killed. That you can blithely accept this kind of vile, inhuman, graceless, behavior and pass it off with bland, vague, generalities, tells me that your alleged "moral compass" is seriously out of whack. Your use of language that seems to embolden these left wing shooters (I'm not suggesting that you specifically calling people "fascist" , "racist", "NAZI" and "Hitler" was a direct cause, but the casual use of these terms certainly sets a tone that is conducive for violence) likewise calls your "moral code" into question. Especially when you delete people for much less vulgar and offensive language than you use.

Marshal Art said...

Indeed. Lying about legal procedures does little to improve one's credibility. And of course, Dan does what he prohibits at his Blog of Lies and Perversions. Namely, making wildly and stupidly false claims with no support whatsoever.

"I'd LOVE for you to begin to denounce decades/centuries of violence against LGBTQ folks..."

We even denounce the violence against LGBTQ folks perpetrated by LGBTQ folks, which is far more common these days, yet never mentioned by lovers of sexual perversion like Dan. He also ignores all the violence we've been seeing by LGBTQ folks of late. One would be blameless for wondering of his ignoring of it is intentional!

"against women (including by the sexual predator you've voted for three times, now),"

Well, we certainly have opposed females being aborted by their parents! We've opposed the violence perpetrated against women and girls by illegal aliens allowed to enter our country by the Joe Biden, the guy Dan insisted was more fit to be president and a more decent individual than Trump! And how many posts does Craig have to present about females being abused by muslims in the UK? How many times do we have to express our opposition to men in women's facilities, where women have been victimized, even in prisons?

We never voted for a sexual predator, Dan. You voted for those who did nothing to protect women from actual predators! Indeed, those for whom you vote have made women far less safe.

"...against innocent immigrants."

There were times in American history when "innocent immigrants" were victimized by other Americans...like for example FDR. But now, that's not much of an issue. Instead, liars like Dan are trying to conflate illegal aliens with "immigrants" as if they are the same thing. That latter are law-breakers and are violently victimized by other illegals. Arresting them and deporting them is not "violence" against "innocent immigrants". Only inveterate liars say otherwise.

"JUST ONCE, I'd love for you to condemn the violence of the unprovoked attacks on people like Mr Kilmar Abrego Garcia..."

Arresting an illegal alien, wife beating gang-banger is not "violence". Only inveterate liars like to pretend otherwise. There was plenty of evidence justifying his arrest, detainment and deportation. Nobody in this administration wants to waste time grabbing random people and then having to deal with what would then be legitimate criticism or judicial action which would result. That's the kind of thing the Biden and Obama administrations did and we voted against that three times.

"the most powerful privileged man in the world repeatedly attacking innocent people WITH NO EVIDENCE"

A wildly and stupidly false and unsupported claim from a wildly and stupidly fake Christian.

"Denounce that dangerous shit as the vulgar, godless, graceless fascism that it is AND NOT ONLY THAT, but demand that he either prove these graceless, unsupported attacks against people who are, on the face of it, good, hard-working family members and community members."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh how I love to see how Dan manifests "embrace grace"! Though I have to admit, I don't see how lying is graceful!

"Step up and join us in opposition to ALL harmful acts, not just the ones that you perceive as coming from what you imagine are more liberal people."

I would join you if you were drawn and quartered (get it? "Join him"?). You're a...how did you put it?....vulgar, godless, graceless, dangerous shit of a pervert human being. I don't yoke myself to your kind. I prefer actual Christians and decent people.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig...

"The difference is that you don't see conservative artists or protesters beheading, disemboweling, or dragging an effigy of a sitting president through the street."

Are you kidding me?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-15847986.amp

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/04/barack-obama-effigy-hanged-georgia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/story%3fid=5880728&page=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/335915-conservatives-forget-history-with-trump-effigy-outrage/amp/

https://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2010/05/playing-with-fire-and-an-obama-effigy/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/03/24/bashing-biden-effigy-at-kansas-gop-event-wasnt-bad-judgment-it-was-a-call-to-partisan-violence/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/03/30/trump-blasted-for-sharing-video-of-biden-hog-tied-in-pickup-truck-and-hes-shared-these-other-violent-images/

How many examples do you want?

Hell, half the examples of similar behavior are from your Felon, himself. Let alone his relentless attacks on a wide range of decent US citizens.

Be serious.

Marshal Art said...

"...you all are so emotionally fragile and rationally inept."

This coming from a putz who wets his panties when a porn star is referred to as the whore she is by choice.

Craig said...

Watching Dan over the last few days go all in on engaging in the very behavior he demands that we condemn in others, but not in him is freaking hilarious. It's like he's given up on actually proving himself right and decided that he's going to go down spewing as many lies, and vile slanders as he possibly can.

What's amazing is that he could have avoided all of this by simply expressing a modicum of concern and sympathy for Kirk's family and condemning the assassin promptly and specifically. Instead he peddles vague general pablum, and demands that we do what he won't.

""I'd LOVE for you to begin to denounce decades/centuries of violence against LGBTQ folks..."

I can almost guarantee that I've written more critical posts and comments denouncing the outrageously high instances of sexual abuse among gay couples, the recent spate of gay couples buying children (and sexually abusing some of them), and the literal jihad against gays by Muslims than Dan has.

"against women..."

Likewise I know that I've criticized Trump for how he's treated women since he came on the political scene. (That I don't criticize him for unproven accusations or for the results of a civil case is because I live in the real world) I've also criticized Biden, Clinton, Kennedy (all of them), Eisenhower, and FDR for their inappropriate interactions with women. I've criticized those (Biden and Soros primarily) for their policies which have resulted in the literal deaths of literal innocent women. I've criticized Hamas for their use of rape and kidnapping of women to further their terrorist goals. I've criticized those who've turned Europe into a "free fire zone" for sexual assault. I've criticized Islam for how it subjugates and abuses women. Is that not enough, or is that too many of Dan's sacred cows?

"...against innocent immigrants."

I condemn any who engage in "violence" against "innocent" immigrants (immigrants who haven't violated US law), I appreciate those who do their best to remove the non innocent immigrants from the country and thereby protect innocent Americans and immigrants from the depredations of the non innocent. I do strongly condemn the court system and house of worship that advocated for and gave the kidnapper and rapist of a little girl a light sentence.



Dan Trabue said...

Also, Trump, Jr mocking Paul Pelosi’s assault....

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/31/politics/donald-trump-jr-paul-pelosi-reaction/index.html

Or Kari Lake doing the same. And these are supposedly serious, mainstream politicians and their families, not a comedian.

Craig...

"I'm not suggesting that you specifically calling people "fascist" , "racist", "NAZI" and "Hitler" was a direct cause, but the casual use of these terms certainly sets a tone that is conducive for violence"

Good, since your pervert authoritarian felon has regularly engaged in much worse die than attacks.

And the difference is that there are actual scholars, experts, historians saying the maga movement is raising serious red flags because the pervert felon and his gang of thugs are literally engaging in behavior and power grabs very literally in a similar way to past authoritarian.

Whereas, when the idiot felon calls decent citizens, the free press, even conservatives who don't affirm strict loyalty to his regime, "fascists, traitors and nazis," he's just slandering people in spite of reality.

There's a real difference. The Felon's use of those terms, they're casual and dangerous and stupidly false. When we cite conservative and liberal experts actual concerns, it's well- considered and the opposite of casual.

But y'all ignore reality and force a false narrative, just like scholars warn against.

Craig said...

Anything that happened to Garcia was not unprovoked. Of course the 12 year old girl in MPLS that got kidnapped and raped probably did provoke that "innocent immigrant".

""the most powerful privileged man in the world repeatedly attacking innocent people WITH NO EVIDENCE""

Given that Dan has "NO EVIDENCE" of his claim, I guess we can't condemn what Dan can't prove. Strangely enough, Dan has no problem attacking people without "EVIDENCE". He did use ALL CAPS for "EVIDENCE", maybe that's all the evidence he needs.

""Denounce that dangerous shit as the vulgar, godless, graceless fascism..."

Let's start with the Biden administration engaging is censorship, forcing people to get multiple jabs against their will, and the people who wanted to put the unvaccinated in concentration camps. Then we can move on the the majority of the ASPL who approve of political violence, per the data. After that we can talk about the "teachers" who indoctrinate students to "transition" behind their parent's backs. Of course we can't forget the wonderful, grace filled people who've been calling those they disagree with "fascist", "NAZI", "evil", "deplorable", and other vitriolic terms for years.

Thanks to Dan, I am quick to vehemently condemn all sorts of people for the things that they actually do or have done. I withhold judgement when appropriate. I foolishly believed that my doing so would preempt Dan's criticism of me and eventually lead him to acknowledge my preemptive condemnation. What reality has shown me, is that my preemptive condemnation was a waste of my time. Dan is going to bitch about me not condemning those he deems worthy of condemnation, whether I condemn them or not. Strangely enough, I've learned that condemning the rape culture in Europe was not something that Dan appreciated, in fact he criticized my condemnation of decades of raping children. What is becoming more and more clear is that it is impossible to adequately, preemptively condemn enough people to satisfy Dan, because eventually I end up condemning those he wants to excuse.

Dan Trabue said...

And again, there is a difference between ridiculously stupid false charges of "they're traitors and nazis" by team maga and when scholars, historians, experts and the Felon's own people raise concerns based on real world data and insight. Can you at least acknowledge that very real distinction?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-trumps-rhetoric-compares-to-historic-fascist-language

Ultra-conservatives Liz Cheney and Mark Milley...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna175193

Conservatives, including Trump's own people and former allies, saying the same, including Kelly and Bolton...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-listen-trumps-former-aides-100034383.html

I could, of course, continue. You know that, right?

Craig said...

Interesting, I guess that few that you dug up justifies the incitements to violence we've seen of late. I get it, you just want to dig up enough to prove that "the other guys do it".

Strangely enough, I was quite clear about what you don't see conservatives doing, and you couldn't find examples of those behaviors.

FYI, I'm not wasting time checking your links right now. Because I don't support this kind of thing period.

Craig said...

This from someone who believes that "words" and a 30.06 to the neck are equivalent violence.

Craig said...

Look, I've tried to keep this focused on like things, but if you really want to play this game, I guess I can dig up y'all doing similar things.

Remember at the State of the Union when the DFL lawmakers wouldn't stand up an applaud a child with cancer?

"Good, since your pervert authoritarian felon has regularly engaged in much worse die than attacks."

Beyond the fact that this sentence makes no sense, it's just one more example of justifying vileness by playing "the other guys do it" card. That y'all spent months justifying the notion that it was OK, not just OK but morally justified, to "punch a NAZI", then spent the next several years calling everyone you disagree with "NAZIs" to justify violence against your political foes.

"And the difference is that there are actual scholars,..."

Again with an incoherent sentence and another attempt to justify violence against your political foes. I would have thought that Biden actually engaging in literal censorship and y'all advocating for anti vaxxers to be put in concentration camps was hearkening back to actual fascism. Not to mention assassinating someone for exercising free speech, peak fascism.

Again in your twisted brain it's horrible and evil when Trump does it, but perfectly justified and acceptable when y'all do it.

False narrative, that's freaking hilarious.

Craig said...

Didn't Al Gore insist that we'd see massive devastation from sea level rise and melting ice caps that was supposed to have happened like 25 years ago.

Craig said...

Well as long as the "experts" tell y'all it's perfectly fine to lie about, slander, and engage in vile, graceless attacks on people, then that is a perfectly fine excuse for your vile, graceless behavior.

If, as y'all contend, some words are inherently and intrinsically bad and harmful then I'd suspect that those words are bad and harmful no matter who uses them and what kind of bullshit justifications y'all come up with.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig...

Beyond the fact that this sentence makes no sense, it's just one more example of justifying vileness by playing "the other guys do it" card.

That is literally NOT what I'm doing. It's literally what YOU are doing. YOUR PERVERT is calling decent people, hardworking heroes in our free press, in our public education system, in our scientific institutions, in the Democratic party AND in the Republican party (when they don't kiss his deviant butt sufficiently) nazis and haters and criminal and fascists and totalitarians and criminals. That is what HE and his allies are doing. AND IT IS WITHOUT A BASIS. We are not marxists. We are not fascists. We are not totalitarians. We are not criminals to be locked up. AND we're not engaging in any behavior to suggest that.

On the other hand, we're noting the dangerously power grabs and authoritarian like actions that the corrupt felon is actually taking... we liberals, moderates and conservatives who are not bowing down to this Felon are listening to the experts in these areas who are also across the political spectrum and raising legitimate concerns based on his actual actions.

Telling schools what to do. Threatening to use the justice system against political enemies and even former allies NOT because of any crimes, but because he doesn't like them. He's pushing his own DOJ to prosecute people who investigated his actions (for cause) and he's doing so IN SPITE of there being no real accusations of wrong doing. And certainly no evidence of it.

Do you truly not see this unprecedented power grab? How he's trying to control and force policies (and allegiance) on universities, law firms, local schools, news organizations, cities and local governments... THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It is literally unprecedented. Do you not see this? Hell, the idiot put himself in charge of the Kennedy Center for the arts??!! WTF? To say that this is so deeply strange is to be kind.

He's literally behaving like former fascists have in his efforts to consolidate power. Open your eyes and your mind, while you still have one.

Craig said...

I'd argue that there is a difference in degree between hanging someone in effigy and beheading, disemboweling, or dragging them through the streets. All are objectionable (and might be covered by the 1A), and all should be condemned, yet the disemboweling as part of a rock show for mere entertainment and shock value seems like something you could forcefully condemn. Unfortunately, I guess that's not going to happen.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig irrationally stated...

Again in your twisted brain it's horrible and evil when Trump does it, but perfectly justified and acceptable when y'all do it.

It's horrible and evil when ANYONE makes stupidly false claims, demonizing innocent people.

It's rational and appropriate when people, listening to experts and scholars, raise real concerns.

It's like this:

If a leader says, "Dan and his church are criminals who should be put in jail..." It's just a stupidly false claim.

When I say, "The pervert is a literal criminal convicted of felonies and who's been found liable for sexual assault in courts of law by a jury of his peers." I'm just stating facts.

What are you not understanding?

If you don't LIKE the reality of his convictions and his clear sexual predatory behavior, that doesn't change that he IS a felon and DOES display sexually predatory behavior, as evidenced by being found liable and the nearly two dozen women who've accused him of crimes and by his own words.

Don't be gullible.

Craig said...

"That is literally NOT what I'm doing. "

What a bizarre interpretation. Your primary response was to find instances of "conservatives" engaging in similar behavior, and to make claims about expert justification for y'all doing it.

"It's literally what YOU are doing."

I literally was quite clear that it is wrong no matter who does it. Fantasy land must be pretty this time of year.

Then you go right back to blaming Trump for the behavior of those on the left. "Well if Trump is doing it...". The difference here is that I am not justifying or even attempting to justify this sort of language no matter who does it or who says it's justified.

Although, when someone self identifies as a socialist (for example) then it is clearly acceptable to refer to them as such.

As you can't name one of these alleged "power grabs" as egregious as Biden's administration engaging in censorship, calls to put anti-vaxxers in concentration camps, and Biden's blatant disregard of a SCOTUS ruling about making taxpayers responsible for student loans. I'll simply assume hyperbole or ignorance.

Interesting admission. Admitting that y'all can't raise "legitimate concerns" without calling people "fascist" or "NAZI", that sounds like a lack of self control not legitimate political discourse.

You didn't seem to have a problem when NY and the Biden DOJ literally rewrote the law specifically to allow someone to sue Trump longs after the statute of limitations had expired or of turning one misdemeanor act into multiple felonies. If crimes were committed, they should be prosecuted. While I'm not justifying it, it seems childish to act like Biden didn't weaponize his DOJ before Trump. I've said repeatedly that these political vendettas which end up in bullshit charges, or bullshit impeachment are stupid because they're going to backfire. However, if (for exemple) we find out that Biden was selling pardons or that his staff was forging his signature on pardons, there should 100% be prosecutions.

FYI, the NYC prosecutor seems to have committed mortgage fraud (along with the Fed woman) and the GA prosecutor engaged in unethical/criminal conduct, should they not be prosecuted for their crimes just because they prosecuted Trump?

The most concerning "power grab" I see is certain district court judges who think that they can unilaterally shut down various government functions. If exercising the legitimate functions of the executive branch is a "power grab" try remedial civics.

The Kennedy Center is owned by the federal government, Trump is the Chief Executive Officer of the federal government, of course he's in charge of the Kennedy Center.

Well, you're deeply strange and I see no reason to be as kind as I have been when you engage in such vitriol.



Craig said...

Ohhhhhhhhhh one of Dan's magical, enchanted phrases which must be objectively True because Dan typed it.

"It's horrible and evil when ANYONE makes stupidly false claims, demonizing innocent people."

Then why do you engage in the "horrible and evil" behavior?

"When I say, "The pervert is a literal criminal convicted of felonies and who's been found liable for sexual assault in courts of law by a jury of his peers." I'm just stating facts."

When I say that the state of NY chose to magically transform an action that had historically been one misdemeanor, into 34 felonies in an attempt to manipulate the electoral process, I'm simply stating the reality of the situation. When I add the context that Trump has had success in the various appeals of these politically motivated charges, and that it's probably better to wait until the appeals run their course, I'm simply pointing out reality. When I say that NY literally, temporarily changed their law for the sole purpose of allowing the "sexual assault" civil suit to be brought, I'm simply stating the reality of the situation. When I point out that the did this to take advantage of the lower burden of proof, simply pointing out the reality. When I point out the the victim had literally zero recollection of the details of the alleged assault, again reality. If using the justice system against one's political opponents is bad, it's always bad.

Gullible, on this topic, is the furthest thing from the Truth as it applies to me. For example, I'm not so gullible as to equate "accusations" with reality.

But really, excellent job. You've chosen to ignore the point of the post. The reprehensible behavior of people on your side of the political aisle, and play the "Trump did bad things and The other guys do worse" cards.




Dan Trabue said...

Craig...

When I say that the state of NY chose to magically transform an action that had historically been one misdemeanor, into 34 felonies in an attempt to manipulate the electoral process, I'm simply stating the reality of the situation.

Sigh. And when I say that YOU ARE NOT a legal expert, I'm simply stating a fact.

And When I say that I don't take non-legal-expert's non-expert opinions as worth much, especially when this person has demonstrated that he's a pretty die-hard partisan and has voted THREE times for this clearly corrupt man (based upon the actual data), I'm just stating the fact.

And when I say that, unless one believes in secret gov't conspiracies to convict a completely innocent man of crimes when he'd actually just made a simple little mistake (and I'm not such a conspiracy theorist), that it's reasonable to not take terribly seriously the partisan ramblings of a non-expert conspiracy theorist, I'm just stating a factually reasonable position.

Gullibility, being a useful idiot of an idiot conman and blind partisanship are dangerous combinations.

As a point of reasonable fact. Feel free to disagree.

[rolls eyes]

Dan Trabue said...

Craig, demonstrating his EXTREME gullibility, perhaps influenced by his blind partisanship, said:

For example, I'm not so gullible as to equate "accusations" with reality.

IF an otherwise decent, well-respected family man with no history of sexual misdeeds has ONE accusation against him of sexual misconduct, it would be reasonable to give that man the benefit of the doubt.

IF, on the other hand, an overtly hedonistic, overtly sexist, overtly predatory (by the confessions of his OWN words), serial cheating (on both his many wives AND his many girlfriends), overtly misogynistic with a history of talking about women as sex objects to be used for his own amusement (including HIS OWN DAUGHTER), with close ties to a convicted pedophile and many visits to his sex den where many women and girls were sexually abused and treated as toys... and said man also JOKED about this pedophile in a way suggesting that, at the least, the "women" he "dated" were very young, possibly too young..., AND who has a finding of liability for sexual assault against him in a public trial... when THAT sexually deviant creep and clear predator has over 20 allegations against him, one would have to be naive in the extreme to think this is a man who is NOT a sexual predator.

I'm not talking about convicting him.
I'm not even stating that it's a proven fact that he's raped children or even women.
I'm stating that it's very likely that he's got some degree of guilt in some degree of sexual assault.

At some point, you're just a useful idiot enabling a rapist/sexual predator when you keep defending him.

Again, if ANY Democrat had ANY ONE of those things charged against him... if a Democrat were caught on tape boasting and laughing about literal sexual assault, you would say that man is not fit for office. NOT because it was proven that he'd done anything wrong, just that you'd be a fool to give him a pass.

AND, if it WERE just that one thing - just that one tape... MAYBE you'd give a Democrat a pass and say that it doesn't preclude him from being a valid candidate for office... but you almost certainly wouldn't.

I almost certainly wouldn't.

But it wasn't one thing.

Jesus taught us to be innocent as doves but wise as serpents.

He didn't teach us to enable sexual predation and rape-y talk.

But hey, the rapists out there gotta love you.

God have mercy.

Dan Trabue said...

Re: "magically transform..."

Implying wrongdoing on the part of the People's prosecutors. Do you have evidence for that sort of serious allegation, Mr Legal Expert... oh, wait! You're NOT a legal expert. At all.

The data...

"The Manhattan district office charged the former president with a low-level felony, falsifying business records, which carries a maximum of four years in prison for each count. In New York, falsifying business records counts as a felony, rather than a misdemeanor, only if the defendant had an intent of committing or concealing a separate underlying crime. The indictment alleged that Trump falsified business records to “conceal criminal activity, including attempts to violate state and federal election laws,” but did not specify a particular underlying crime. In interviews, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg described the case as an “election interference case” that is about “conspiring to corrupt a presidential election” by concealing damaging information ahead of the vote."

NORMALLY a misdemeanor, UNLESS there is the additional concealing of a crime at play, here. Which there was. Which is why a jury of his peers found him guilty of 34 felonies.

We're the jurors part of the conspiracy, too?

It's the problem when you go all in to defend a known corrupt conman. He's an idiot, but he makes his marks look like idiots, too.

Marshal Art said...

Don Jr's comment wasn't all that bad, though certainly...as some comics put it..."too soon?" At the same time, making light of that attack, even though Pelosi survived, is not the same as celebrating it, as lefties have celebrated Kirk's assassination. Nor is it akin to inciting more of the same. It's just a weak joke.

And Kari Lake? Even the CNN article I found to catch up on this non-story doesn't show she's mocking the fact that Pelosi was attacked, but rather mocking the fact that despite Nancy having security when she's in Washington, there was no security for her home while she was away. This was said in the context of pushing for better security to protect our kids in schools. Nancy's protected but kids aren't (though there wasn't much security at her home when only Paul was there...which is a paraphrase of the line she actually said which drew laughs from the crowd).

Dan tries hard to pretend there's some equality between conservative or right-wing responses and the routine crap we see from lefties constantly. Yeah...search hard enough and you'll find something. But Dan will not be able to find enough to run the "both sides do it" bullshit.

Marshal Art said...

"YOUR PERVERT is calling decent..."

YOU are our pervert, Dan. You're like an infestation. But we keep the door open because...you know...grace.

Marshal Art said...

https://thefederalist.com/2025/09/24/bogus-adl-report-either-mislabels-leftist-violence-as-right-wing-or-omits-it-entirely/

Craig said...

Yes, changing the law in order to prosecute one's political opponent is problematic at best. This is well documented, I'm sorry you choose to be uninformed.

Yes, Bragg and others did justify their choice, because of course you'll gullibly believe someone who has a vested interest in pushing a particular narrative. Obviously your legal expertise spans your ability to Google.

Because a NY jury is going to be unbiased when it comes to someone like Trump.

Again, let's see how the appeals process goes.

Craig said...

Wow, two whole comments to say the same thing, nice job.

Coming from someone who's legal expertise is nonexistent and who's much more blindly partisan than I am, I'm not particularly concerned with your claims.

Craig said...

More off topic bullshit. Accusations are (by definition) unproven. Strangely enough we in the US have seen plenty of instances where false accusations have been leveled at men.

It's so refreshing when you tell me what I would do, as if you have some magical power to read my mind.

Given the left wing policies, both here and in Europe, which actually do enable rape, child rape, and predation, I fail to see why getting hysterical over ancient accusations is worth much of my limited time and bandwidth.

Marshal Art said...

"only if the defendant had an intent of committing or concealing a separate underlying crime" and "did not specify a particular underlying crime".

Doesn't matter how Bragg spun it after the fact. Specifying that underlying crime was never done during the trial according those on Trump's defense team in a manner which allowed them to actually defend against it.

But Dan doesn't care about proper procedure. He only cares that his hatefilled ass gets to refer to Trump as a felon, which was the most important goal of those seeking his conviction. Jail time would have been just icing on the cake of Trump being unable to even run for office. But even though he could and then win the presidency, assholes can refer to him as "felon" as if he was a justly convicted criminal.

And those weren't the "People's" prosecutors. They were the marxist left's prosecutors. Most people wouldn't have prosecuted him for this crap lefties pretend was worth the trouble.

Craig said...

The problem was the lack of a separate, underlying crime, as far as I know. They tried to make this a campaign crime, but I don't think that flew, so they treated the repetition of the same act as a separate crime. If there was a "separate, underlying crime", then what was the crime and was Trump charged and convicted of that crime?

The only time the ASPL cares about crap like this is when they want to claim that the GOP does it.

This is exactly my problem with politically motivated actions like this or impeachment. Once the precedent has been set, then it becomes impossible to complain when the other side follows the precedent. What kind of idiocy would prompt someone to give such a potent weapon to their adversaries?

Craig said...

Which is been the point I've been trying to make, which Dan can't agree with for some strange reason.

Simply get the reporting right, and let the chips fall where they may. Don't cook the books, don't change the metrics, don't mischaracterize things, just count everything and record everything accurately. If the complete, accurate. data says something then that's great. When the data is skewed, it just makes things harder to deal with.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

What about the LEFTIST media and lots of Demonkrats inciting violence by calling ICE agents NAZI SS troops who need to be done away with and suddenly ICE is being shot at along with tons of other violence.

Marshal Art said...

Indeed.

Craig said...

In Dan's fantasy world, that is completely appropriate because it's the MSM and DFL, who never do anything wrong.