https://x.com/rothmus/status/1948421182681682194?s=51&t=cLq01Oy84YkmYPZ-URIMYw
This response to the idiotic comment is awesome. That Roza is unaware that cows are definitionally female, and that dairy products from a bull would not be what she's looking for says so much about her education and the extent of her brainwashing.
https://x.com/eyakoby/status/1948386724888908049?s=51&t=cLq01Oy84YkmYPZ-URIMYw
Speaking of teaching, and brainwashing, this is one more reason why the NEA also needs to go away. While this is technically True (that the NAZI's did kill millions from different faiths) the term Holocaust has almost universally been applied to the genocide of the 6 million Jews. Call me crazy, but maybe if the teachers union spent more time on teaching the basics, less on pushing left wing narratives, and trying to overthrow the Trump administration, we wouldn't be seeing the absolutely dismal results from our schools.
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Um...
"11. How is a Holocaust survivor defined?
The Museum honors as survivors any persons, Jewish or non-Jewish, who were displaced, persecuted, or discriminated against due to the racial, religious, ethnic, social, and political policies of the Nazis and their collaborators between 1933 and 1945. In addition to former inmates of concentration camps, ghettos, and prisons, this definition includes, among others, people who were refugees or were in hiding."
US Holocaust Museum
Holocaust includes the Roma, LGBTQ and others oppressed by the Nazis, not just the Jewish people.
According to the silly experts at the Holocaust Museum.
Craig...
"the term Holocaust has almost universally been applied to the genocide of the 6 million Jews..."
I guess it's safe to say that you have no support for this, right?
Look, educated people (including our teachers) know that the huge brunt of the Holocaust fell on oppressed Jewish people. But we also recognize the actual history and stuff and that MANY groups were oppressed by the fascists and xenophobes. Educated people don't try to deny that history.
Right?
From the experts at the National WW2 museum...
"Nazi policies toward Roma in Germany and occupied territories developed gradually during the regime’s rule, eventually culminating in the genocide of over 250,000 people..."
Or, about 1/4 to 1/2 of the Roma in Europe at the time.
But ignore them, right?
What of the roughly 250,00 people with disabilities. Let's not count them as victims of the fascists.
Fyi.
From the experts at the National WW2 museum...
"Nazi policies toward Roma in Germany and occupied territories developed gradually during the regime’s rule, eventually culminating in the genocide of over 250,000 people..."
Or, about 1/4 to 1/2 of the Roma in Europe at the time.
But ignore them, right?
What of the roughly 250,00 people with disabilities. Let's not count them as victims of the fascists.
Fyi.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/genocide-of-european-roma-gypsies-1939-1945
Well, at least they specifically include Jews.
It's idiocy like that that convinces me that you don't actually read and comprehend things that people write.
I literally addressed this in the original post. But you need to invent something to get upset about.
The most commonly accepted number of Jews killed by the NAZIs is 6 million.
Non Jewish Poles 1.8 million
Soviet POW's 3.3 million (Combatant/POW deaths seem odd here)
Romani 250,000-500,000
Serbs 310,000
People with disabilities 250,000-300,000
Germans criminals 35,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 1,700
Gays 1,000-2,000
So, other than Soviet POWs (atheists), the numbers of other "faiths" killed in the Holocaust is less than 40% of the total.
So, statistically the Jews were the primary victims of the Holocaust.
The only ones trying to deny history are the leaders of the NEA.
6,000,000 Jews, less than 3 million of "other faiths", slightly over 3 million atheists.
FYI, only the Jews were killed for their faith.
Not at all. No one has ever tried to ignore the fact that the NAZIs killed more than Jews. But hey, I understand. Anything to excuse the specific mention of 6 million dead Jews.
Do you really think that reposting the exact same comment multiple times somehow makes it more effective?
Your short term memory is so bad that you, apparently, can't remember posting the same comment twice in less than a minute, but you expect us to believe that you remember details of some unnamed books you read prior to 1990.
I'll simply note that the fact that these other ethnic groups are included in the National WW2 museum and the Holocaust museum (among other easily found sources) actually undermines your claims that this information is being hidden.
Anyone who's done even a cursory bit of reading about WW2 is well acquainted with the total numbers of people killed by the NAZIs.
5 comments and not one tiny criticism of the NEA choosing to remove specific mention of 60% of Holocaust victims, nor of the fact that they're wasting time on this bullshit when the students they allegedly teach (and care about) are performing miserably.
If the total extent of the the NAZI final solution wasn't being taught in schools, wouldn't the NEA and teachers bear some responsibility for this oversight?
The public education system is worthless—it only indoctrinates and never educates. Which is why homeschooling is a growing trend.
As for the Holocaust, the word was always used to describe what the Nazis did to the Jews. (The word “genocide” was invented for that also).The many other sorts of people is indeed included but the primary target was Jews and if that is the primary focus it is indoctrination, not education. This has led to the horrid anti-Semitism which is becoming so pervasion in the USA and Europe.
Been away for a week, visiting family back in Helllinois.
Wow! I'm aware of a cartoon which uses a man's voice to speak for a cow. It's a pretty funny cartoon. I don't think it intends to suggest cows are male animals. How embarrassing for a lefty to whine about female animals being given female names.
It's pretty weird to have any mention of the Holocaust to be mentioned as not specifically about the eradication of Jews, simply because other groups of people were also murdered by the Nazis. In fact it's really stupid and insulting. I used to do service calls at the Illinois Holocaust Museum in Skokie, Il. Weird that anyone would speak the word itself as if not a word referencing the murder of millions of Jews specifically.
Yeah, the cow thing is both hilarious and an indictment of the education system.
Historically the focus on the Jewish deaths from the NAZIs has tended to take away from the millions of other innocent people that were murdered. Yet to ignore the reality that the Jews were the primary target and had the most (by far) people murdered is deeply problematic.
FYI, I included the 3.3 million Russian POWs in the total even though I'd be shocked to find out that is is well documented. Obviously we know that the NAZIs murdered POWs, Katyn Forest and Malmedy being the two obvious examples (Although there has been some doubt whether the NAZIs or the Soviets were responsible for Katyn). Yet, the Soviets were not known for their benevolent treatment of POWs so maybe there's reason not to include the Soviet POWs.
"Yet to ignore the reality that the Jews were the primary target and had the most (by far) people murdered..."
Look at the percentages. I forget the details, but something like 50-60% of Romani were killed vs 60-70% of Jewish people. They are BOTH atrocities. That there were smaller populations of Romani doesn't make it less atrocious. Same for other marginalized groups.
The Nazis were equal opportunity fascists to oppressed people... the people that the fascists decided weren't deserving of human rights.
It's the denying of human rights mindset that is the problem.... the deciding that, THESE people... THESE groups are worthy of oppression that is the problem.
Clearly Craig made no suggestion that the smaller populations made the murder of those smaller populations less atrocious...that is, in the way you totally disregard the ongoing murder of the unborn, because like a fascist, you've decided the unborn are undeserving of their right to life as human beings made in the image and likeness of God. No. He's clearly focused on the overt omission of the word "Holocaust" being specifically referencing the slaughter of the largest population of people, given it was the leftist nazi party "final solution" to the "Jewish question".
"It's the denying of human rights mindset that is the problem.... the deciding that, THESE people... THESE groups are worthy of oppression that is the problem."
As in your oppression of the conceived yet unborn. But the problem Craig references with regard his link is the revisionist history regarding the Holocaust. No one here so much as vaguely hinted that non-Jews being murdered by nazis were any less murder. That's a straw man you erected to posture as more compassionate as you do nothing to put an end to the needless destruction of innocent life by your party.
The straw men are coming out early in the thread. NO ONE is saying that every single death (including "innocent" Axis civilians) is not a tragedy. NO ONE is suggesting that the other demographic groups be ignored. I literally said that in the comment that Dan is replying to. What I did and am saying is the to ignore or minimize the deaths of 6,000,000 Jews over 250k Romani or any of the other smaller groups, is simply to distort history.
Exactly, the problem here is the revisionist history based on the current antisemitic culture were are experiencing. The likely explanation is that Israel engaging in a defensive war with a country that has stated explicitly that it's goal is the destruction of Israel, necessitates rewriting history to minimize the Jewish deaths in the Holocaust.
What's worse is the fact that the NEA apparently thinks that kids are stupid. That they think that no one is going to find out the real numbers and wonder why the Romani are the focus instead of the Jews, is absurd. This is simply choosing to revise history to make a political point in 2025.
Of course the fact that the argument the NAZIs used to kill everyone they murdered in the Holocaust, the argument that that was used to justify slavery, and the argument used to justify abortion, are the same must be ignored.
They all are explicit about one thing, that those being exterminated or enslaved are are "untermensch".
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