"I asked Craig at his blog a very rational, very appropriate question. It's one he said he'd answer."
Well, coming out of the gate with a flat out lie is a bold move.
"Craig responded NOT with an answer but with links to three different people. Fair enough. I have long said that these guys don't have to do the work themselves."
Given that you won't do the work yourself, this is strangely both incredibly condescending as well as faux magnanimous.
"So, the guy leads with an unsupported set of claims"
Coming from someone who regularly makes unsupported claims (see the claim above), this seems like one more example of the double standard Dan revels in.
The difference between Dan and people who've devoted their entire life to scholarly study of scripture and theology is that they have the courage to actually take stands.
I offer to do Dan a favor, and I give him a few sources to consider, and his response is lies, bitching, and unproven claims.
Dan, I was willing to do you the favor I offered. That your response is this impatient screed which starts off with a flat out lie, gives me ample reason to withdraw me offer.
If this question is truly so important to you, then you find the answer, you do your won research, and stop demanding that we provide answers to questions that you claim are vital. It's not my job to answer your vague, general, and pointless questions.
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Call me crazy, but I can't imagine how Dan's subjective moral hunches could possibly lead him to conclude that starting his screed with an unproven (and false) claim is either "good" or "moral".
Dan's behavior, his lies, vitriol, unproven claims, and general gracelessness lead me to conclude that whatever his bizarre, subjective moral hunches might be that I want nothing to do with a subjective group of moral hunches that so often contradict their author.
And what, praytell, dear man, do you find to be a "screed" in what I wrote and what was the false claim?
I thought it was a fair, dispassionate, rational and factual accounting of our interaction on this matter. I can't even fathom what you would find false or screed-like.
There certainly was no deliberate intention of either.
Help me learn and improve.
Also, "that he won't do the work himself " is, of course, a demonstrable false claim. Of course, I've done these searches and told you about it.
How is that not an actual deliberate false claim on your part?
Grace, dear man.
The whole post was an impatient screed. The first line was a lie.
Strangely enough, you always find anything you say to be perfect and without fault. Arrogant much?
"How is that not an actual deliberate false claim on your part?"
Given absolutely zero actual evidence of you doing any work yourself, your continued demands that we/I answer questions based on something that is only of interest to you, and the fact that there are so many resources available it seems a reasonable and logical conclusion given the lack of proof for your claims.
Craig...
"The whole post was an impatient screed"
Define your understanding of screed. I was simply trying to present the information in a fair, rational and accurate manner. How specifically is that a screed?
"The first line was a lie."
My first line...
"I asked Craig at his blog a very rational, very appropriate question."
Where is the lie? I factually and certainly think it's a reasonable question. At best, you might say you disagree with my opinion. But as a literal point of fact, it is not a lie.
Do you understand that?
Please, embrace grace, dear man.
"a long speech or piece of writing, typically one regarded as tedious."
"It's one he said he'd answer."
I love how you leave out the second sentence of your first line as you pretend that you've scored a big point. If you can prove that I "said" I'd "answer" then do so. I said, I'd put your sophomoric question in front of at least one expert.
If you think that intentionally leaving out the lie of the first line of your post (not first sentence, first line), is an example of you demonstrating grace, then you simply have no concept of what grace actually is.
Sigh.
You literally said that you would try to find an expert so that you may ask them to answer my question. Do I need to find the exact quote?
Craig:
If you think that intentionally leaving out the lie of the first line of your post (not first sentence, first line), is an example of you demonstrating grace, then you simply have no concept of what grace actually is.
1. In literature and just plain common sense, the first line is generally the first sentence OR the literal first line of a paragraph, which usually is speaking about a sentence. I don't know that ANYONE thinks of the second sentence as "the first line." And so, I was literally quoting YOUR literal first line in good faith.
2. As noted, the second sentence is not a lie, either. You said you'd provide an answer. I didn't mean that to mean that you said that YOU yourself would give an answer, just that you'd provide one. Which is literally what you said.
Seriously, brother, are you doing okay? I honestly worry about you, sometimes.
"an impatient screed..."?
If you think ~1,000 words is too much, I do apologize. On a complicated topic such as understanding morality and objective theories about that, where I'm also reviewing another author's many words, I do not consider that to be long. But tell me:
The author whose work I was reviewing had written a 3,500 word essay on the topic. Was that also a "screed..."? That you personally may find it uninteresting does not make it uninteresting, is that fair?
A more expanded definition of screed includes...
a: a lengthy discourse
b: an informal piece of writing (such as a personal letter)
c: a ranting piece of writing
And I'd suggest that the third definition is more typically what people are talking about when they refer to a screed. "Tedious"-ness is more of a subjective opinion, not a valid measure.
I'd suggest that most rational people interested in these topics would not consider either his or my essay a screed.
Embrace grace, dear one.
In this case, a case of you being impatient because I hadn't finished what I'd offered to do and offered you some additional options, even one word was too many. That you seem to think that I sit around and have nothing else to do but do what you want, when you want, speaks to your impatience. The fact that you started with a lie, just made it worse.
As usual, I don't care what some imaginary friends of yours might think based on your conjuring up some self serving bullshit.
From some one who clearly is a stranger to showing grace, and who chooses to continue to continue this condescending "dear..." crap, the very notion that you tell me to do something you choose not to do is (as usual) pathetic.
Nice excuse, that you were either two lazy to be precise or too dishonest to acknowledge that your second sentence IS on the FIRST LINE of the your post as you formatted it is not a surprise. Neither is your making excuses instead of apologizing.
"You said you'd provide an answer."
More of the unproven claims.
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