It's obviously a developing story, but it appears that Hunter Biden's sweetheart deal might not survive.
I do find it interesting that anyone who argues that the "rich need to pay their fair share" of taxes, could support Hunter's deal allows him to avoid "paying his fair share" because he intentionally hid income from the IRS.
More as this develops.
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I could be mistaken, but I believe H Biden has already admitted to and paid back the taxes he didn't pay.
Typically, failure to pay does not result in jail time. It's considered a misdemeanor and usually results in fines of up to $25,000, though prison time of up to a year can be tacked on if the situation warrants.
According to the court documents, the tax liability was related to combined income of $3 million for those two years—$1.5 million per year. In 2021, Biden claimed to have paid the IRS what he owed. However, paying the liability after the due date (in this case, April 17, 2018, for the 2017 tax year and April 15, 2019, for the 2018 tax year) doesn't mean a crime was not committed.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2023/06/20/hunter-biden-failed-to-pay-taxes-heres-why-hes-likely-not-going-to-jail/
I think at this point, everyone agrees a crime was committed and the typical penalty is to pay the owed taxes and a fine which I believe H Biden has done. Which I fully support whatever the typical penalty is.
Now, I believe if he obstructs/covers up his failure to pay, that can be/is a more serious charge.
You know, like Trump has quite publicly obstructed justice in several of his cases, including the classified documents situation and his election interference situations.
I believe the more serious obstruction charges for both H Biden and Trump, IF they are proven (and again, in the case of Trump, he did it publicly for all to see), should ALSO be held accountable in a typical way.
What else do you want?
It's gratifying to know that he didn't just skate. While his future may still result in grave injustice given his crimes and character...that is, he skates after all with the minimal penalties they sought with the first deal...the rejection of the deal gives us some hope that...how does that expression go?...the walls are truly closing in on BidenCorp.
"What else do you want?"
As to what I've heard, Hunter's delinquent taxes were paid by an anonymous third party.
I want to hear.
1. That Hunter's bizarrely constructed plea agreement has been thrown out.
2. That Hunter does not get immunity for any other crimes he may or may not have committed.
3. For Hunter's case to be investigated in a full, complete, and transparent manner.
4. For the "fair share" folks to get as outraged when folx on their side get sweetheart deals on tax evasion, as they do when it's someone in the GOP.
The White House today made it clear that IF H Biden were convicted, there would be no pardon forthcoming. That's a sign of the charming difference in integrity between the Democrats who acknowledge the wrongdoing and the GOP who continue to pretend that holding Trump accountable for his actual actions and misdeeds is a witchhunt and talk about pardons for Trump and his criminal accomplices.
Dan
"I could be mistaken..."
That's funny. He says this like it's not the routine!
"You know, like Trump has quite publicly obstructed justice in several of his cases..."
Cite a case in which he was proven (not convicted of) to have obstructed justice. What Trump-haters say must be accompanied by clear and indisputable and fact-based proof, because they lie like they were all Dan Trabue.
"What else do you want?"
Honesty and morality from a modern progressive. Hope springs eternal!
Craig,
Add to your list
5. Complete transparency as regards Joe Biden's complicity in influence peddling by his son and brother.
1. I hear that HBs deal is not atypical
2. Agreed. No reason they should be and as far as I've heard, no indication that they would be.
3. Of course. And if it turns out no wrongdoing by J Biden's part, that the GOP would cease their attacks on an apparently decent man AND apology for false accusations and innuendo lodged against him.
4. I don't think it's the case that we are outraged when GOP tax avoided who eventually DO apologize for failure to pay and who pay... I think you're just mistaken.
What we get outraged about are corrupt perverts who abuse their power to get away with shit and who insist upon their innocence when they're guilty and promise pardons to guilty accomplices. That stinks. And J Biden has been clear that there would be no pardons for H Biden.
THAT is what integrity looks like.
What I'd like to see is the GOP to clearly condemn and rebuke Trump and his ilk for promising pardons.
Dan
1. Well, if you hear something then it must be True. What I've heard is a chorus of people who have agreed that for them to hide Hunter's blanket immunity for charges not related to this plea in the diversion agreement is very unusual. Of course, it's hypocritical to give Hunter a walk on a gun charge while trying to turn millions of law abiding citizens into felons by changing the law.
"2. Agreed. No reason they should be and as far as I've heard, no indication that they would be."
Yet, it was all hidden in the sweetheart "diversion" program on the gun charge.
3. Well, it appear that it'll be quite a while before we know anything definitive. I personally have no problem apologizing to anyone accused of crimes and proven innocent. I'd also suggest that maybe there's an element of looking at how the DFL has behaved as their charges against Trump have been proven false.
4. I don't think it's the case that we are outraged when GOP tax avoided who eventually DO apologize for failure to pay and who pay... I think you're just mistaken.
"What we get outraged about are corrupt perverts who abuse their power to get away with shit and who insist upon their innocence when they're guilty and promise pardons to guilty accomplices. That stinks. And J Biden has been clear that there would be no pardons for H Biden."
We still have no real clarity about how deeply the corruption in the Biden family runs. We keep hearing more and more eyewitness testimony, under oath, and the penalty for perjury that appears damning. Maybe someday we'll actually know the Truth. While there might not be any "pardons for H", (at this point an assumption with not real way to prove it, the fact that he got a virtual pass on gun charges and tax fraud, is pretty damn close.
"What I'd like to see is the GOP to clearly condemn and rebuke Trump and his ilk for promising pardons."
Of course you'd like to see the focus on Trump instead of Biden.
The White House today made it clear that IF H Biden were convicted, there would be no pardon forthcoming. That's a sign of the charming difference in integrity between the Democrats who acknowledge the wrongdoing and the GOP who continue to pretend that holding Trump accountable for his actual actions and misdeeds is a witchhunt and talk about pardons for Trump and his criminal accomplices.
The charming difference that I see is Dan's gullible willingness to blindly accept everything that The White House says about what might happen in the future as if it was accomplished fact. While also blindly accepting everything negative said about Trump is gospel Truth.
But on a positive note, Joe finally acknowledged that Hunter's illegitimate daughter actually is his grandchild. I'm sure the little girl feels the love oozing from her family as they fight to keep from paying child support, while Hunter shows up in Secret Service convoys everywhere he goes.
Of course you'd like to see the focus on Trump instead of Biden.
Well, as we've seen from Trump's own testimony and indictment after indictment and arrest after arrest of Trump and his associates, Trump is clearly a perverted corrupt con man who is guilty as hell on point after point. There is no definitive indication that this is true at all about J Biden.
One would be foolish to think that Trump is likely innocent of anything at this point, while we can easily be gracious towards Joe Biden who does not appear, on the face of it, to be anything like the pervert king of the GOP.
Seriously: We SAW Trump's behavior/actions and read HIS words about the taking of classified documents. I don't know what else there is to do but indict.
We SAW and READ Trump's words and actions about the attempt to undermine the 2020 election. He was TOLD that his words and accusations were false and that, by his own team and allies. I don't see how the Jan 6th indictment will be anything but find him guilty. How could it not?
The ONLY defense possible is that Trump could say, "I'm SO STUPID and SO DELUSIONAL that I actually believed the stupidly false and criminal claims I was making..." but ignorance of the law is not a justified defense and it defies belief that anyone could be as totally stupid as to believe - CONTRARY to what his own people were telling him - what he claimed about the "stolen election." Now, I DO believe that he is likely malignantly and dangerously narcissistic to the degree that facts don't matter to him, but again, that isn't a justified excuse for breaking the law as it appears he clearly did.
How do YOU think he could possibly be cleared of what we all saw that he did and said?
How naive/gullible are you?
Look, I can totally get you thinking "I can never support a Democrat..." because of your partisan allegiances and beliefs, but HOW can you defend an over-the-top overt criminal while at the same time heaping accusations and innuendo against a thus-far innocent man?
Dan lives in Bizarro World, where Dems are angels with only the best at heart for America, and the GOP are demons set on destroying us all. While the GOP is far from angelic, the last three years alone demonstrate the contempt Democrats have for America and its people. Dan accuses Trump of corruption and his supporters of being conned. Now we see who the real corrupt people are and who is the truly conned. It ain't us.
The charming difference that I see is Dan's gullible willingness to blindly accept everything that The White House says about what might happen in the future as if it was accomplished fact.
While there is always some party loyalty happening, the Democrats writ large are NOT going to remain silent IF Biden went back on his word. That's one thing we have going in our favor more often than not: We try to be consistent and consistently opposed to criminal wrong-doing by our leaders.
It IS charming that any in the GOP think they have ANY room to critique the Democrats when it comes to corruption in your party and acceptance of that corruption. Corruption and Loyalty to the Corrupt are now the Brand for the GOP. You all have no credibility on opposing rich criminals and con men.
While also blindly accepting everything negative said about Trump is gospel Truth.
Not everything. But when there is SO MUCH that Trump states clearly that is clearly corrupt, clearly dishonest, clearly criminal and/or unacceptable... it's hard to ignore. The man LIED about something as serious as saying the "election was stolen." He's STILL lying and attacking loyal boy scout Mike Pence because he won't go along with Trump's lies. On and on it goes. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't care about honesty or facts and that it's all a game to him, just seeing what he can use his position, privilege and power to get away with ALL THE WHILE having the GOP dupes/useful idiots pay for his legal bills.
Are you not just dying from embarrassment at how inept and corrupt and just plain, garden variety STUPID he is and NOT him only, but the majority of modern conservatives who are still supporting him in greater numbers than ever?!
Come on. Trump is a stain on the party and the greater stain is that the party largely supports an obviously corrupt and dishonest criminal... AND the few who oppose him largely remain silent and the VERY few who vocally denounce him are attacked by that loyal base of useful idiots.
Historians will look at the modern GOP and just shake their heads in disbelief. They're doing it now.
Trump is a pathetic symptom, but the real sickness is in the modern GOP.
"It IS charming that any in the GOP think they have ANY room to critique the Democrats when it comes to corruption in your party and acceptance of that corruption. Corruption and Loyalty to the Corrupt are now the Brand for the GOP."
Rank bullshit from the Son of the Father of Lies!! Dan lies about the GOP (particularly Trump) being corrupt, while ignoring the far more obvious signs and evidences of corruption of his own. What a lying hack Dan is! It's not wonder so many refuse him the time of day! The degree of true idiocy required to speak as Dan does is astounding! It has no reflection of truth in any way!
"But when there is SO MUCH that Trump states clearly that is clearly corrupt, clearly dishonest, clearly criminal and/or unacceptable... it's hard to ignore."
Such as, lying progressive???
"The man LIED about something as serious as saying the "election was stolen.""
That can only honestly be regarded as a lie when lying leftist assholes like you can prove the election was not corrupted as badly as even 17% of Democrat voters believe it was!! Trump didn't "lie". He expressed his opinion which is based on realities that liars like you ignore intentionally. It's so easy to understand why so many won't waste their time dealing with the likes of a lying sack of shit like Dan Trabue.
"Not everything. But when there is SO MUCH that Trump states clearly that is clearly corrupt, clearly dishonest, clearly criminal and/or unacceptable... it's hard to ignore."
Name something, you lying piece of shit. And bring proof or evidence of the type and degree you demand of your betters.
"He's STILL lying and attacking loyal boy scout Mike Pence because he won't go along with Trump's lies."
Only a moron would suggest that Pence has been a loyal ally of Trump. Of course, a moron is what Dan is.
"Trump has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't care about honesty or facts and that it's all a game to him, just seeing what he can use his position, privilege and power to get away with ALL THE WHILE having the GOP dupes/useful idiots pay for his legal bills."
Prove this claim, Dan, to the same degree you demand your betters prove theirs. Trump isn't the liar Biden's proven himself to be, nor the liar YOU'VE proven YOURself to be, nor the Democratic party or the modern progressives constantly prove themselves to be. You POS!!!
"Are you not just dying from embarrassment at how inept and corrupt and just plain, garden variety STUPID he is and NOT him only, but the majority of modern conservatives who are still supporting him in greater numbers than ever?!"
That's hysterical coming from a modern progressive Biden supporter!!!
"Come on. Trump is a stain on the party and the greater stain is that the party largely supports an obviously corrupt and dishonest criminal..."
Given how much improved the state of the nation was while he was in office, we could use "stains" like him. You're a moron Dan. You haven no clue, no honesty and no desire for what's best for the nation. GFY.
"Historians will look at the modern GOP and just shake their heads in disbelief. They're doing it now."
The honest historians aren't.
"While there is always some party loyalty happening, the Democrats writ large are NOT going to remain silent IF Biden went back on his word."
Wow! This is either rank ignorance, dishonesty or outright stupidity. The Dems defend every crime perpetrated by their own...constantly and as if it's freakin' party policy.
"That's one thing we have going in our favor more often than not: We try to be consistent and consistently opposed to criminal wrong-doing by our leaders."
Wow, AGAIN!!!! And Dan tries to pretend it's the Trump supporters who are the conned people. The fact is that those like Dan KNOW they're lying in this way, but say this crap anyway. What a disgusting POS Dan is!!!
"While there is always some party loyalty happening, the Democrats writ large are NOT going to remain silent IF Biden went back on his word. That's one thing we have going in our favor more often than not: We try to be consistent and consistently opposed to criminal wrong-doing by our leaders."
And Dan continues to act as if the future acts of people can be treated as if they were actual fact. Oh, and I think that we can look to the past and see that this is simply not born out by any past history.
Still waiting for Trump-haters to explain how we've suffered worse under Trump than under either Biden or Obama...assuming we've suffered at all because of Trump.
"Dan continues to act as if the future acts of people can be treated as if they were actual fact..."
It IS true that none of our presidents have BEEN indicted of crimes, so we can't look to the historical record, but speaking for me and mine, it's the reality.
A president pardoning people associated with that president should NOT be allowed to give pardons to accomplices and I'd support making that a policy.
You?
Dan
"It IS true that none of our presidents have BEEN indicted of crimes, so we can't look to the historical record, but speaking for me and mine, it's the reality."
What a strange notion. Dan is claiming that for "me and mine" (logical fallacy, appeal to numbers and a vague and meaningless cliche) that the he can predict the future "reality" with 100% certainty. As usual, an impressive claim.
"A president pardoning people associated with that president should NOT be allowed to give pardons to accomplices and I'd support making that a policy."
I wrote on something similar earlier, and didn't address this aspect. At first glance, I would say that it appears that the power of the president to pardon or commute is unlimited and unfettered. With the obvious exception of a president actually selling pardons, I think that (like many things) I do not believe it should be changed. Especially in this current climate, where it certainly looks like Biden is using the DOJ as a way to get Trump out of the race (he's even pretty much said so), the whole think looks sleazy. There is absolutely zero reason not to hold these charges until after the election. If Trump is found not guilty, then it seems completely appropriate to prosecute the whole lot for trying to fix an election. Personally, I'd like to see Trump out for multiple reasons, but I'm not willing to put aside my principles and adopt a "by any means necessary" mindset to see that happen.
"You?"
While part of me agrees, I think the negatives are too great. Plus it'd take a constitutional amendment.
Especially in this current climate, where it certainly looks like Biden is using the DOJ as a way to get Trump out of the race
Bullshit. Stupid, petty, brainless bullshit.
Shame on you for making these sorts of dangerous, irrational and unsupported false claims. You truly ARE part of MAGA-world. More's the pity.
Dan is claiming that for "me and mine" (logical fallacy, appeal to numbers and a vague and meaningless cliche) that the he can predict the future "reality" with 100% certainty.
Speaking of me and my family and my closest church friends... people I know quite well, I can state authoritatively that we would NOT support Biden giving a pardon to his son for what he's already admitted he's done wrong and OF COURSE, we wouldn't support the notion of Biden pardoning himself - OR EVEN talking about using the pardon for himself IF he were convicted of doing anything, which doesn't seem likely, given that there's no evidence that he's done anything wrong. You see, amongst me and my friends and family and community, we know each other exceedingly well. Maybe you have that sort of family and community as well?
So, speaking of me and mine, WE DO NOT/WOULD NOT support using pardons for personal benefit. That is NOT what pardons were supposed to be used for.
It's about integrity, my friend. I would be willing to bet that YOU, YOURSELF, also have the sort of integrity that you wouldn't use the pardon power simply to get your friends or family who were convicted for legitimate reasons... to get them out of trouble. Am I mistaken in my confidence and faith in you?
And I don't know you nearly as well as, of course, I know my friends and family.
Maybe I'm not as pessimistic as you are about my friends and family?
""It IS true that none of our presidents have BEEN indicted of crimes, so we can't look to the historical record, but speaking for me and mine, it's the reality.""
There's never been a time in American history...to my knowledge...where one party had been as corrupt as the Democratic party now is to waste so much taxpayer time and money to railroad a former president who's done nothing at all wrong or criminal, while at the same time doing all they can to prevent the investigation of their sitting president who seems quite clearly to be corrupt and worthy of indictment.
But then, if we go by the drooling of fools like Dan, up will remain down and right will remain wrong. We've never seen moral corruption in this nation as we do with the modern progressive.
What a bizarre notion. The DOJ is a cabinet level department in the executive branch of the government. The AG is appointed by the president. Of course Biden is using the DOJ to impede Trump, who he clearly believes to be his biggest challenger. There is absolutely nothing in any of these charges that couldn't have been delayed until after the next election. The fact that every time some negative H. Biden news comes out they just happen to have another Trump indictment is just a coincidence, right.
"Maybe I'm not as pessimistic as you are about my friends and family?"
More likely it's you trying to speak for others without really knowing for sure how things will play out. I know it's easier for you to play the fallacy of numbers, than to simply speak for yourself and let that stand.
"More likely it's you trying to speak for others without really knowing for sure how things will play out."
Two things...
1. When I'm speaking of me and mime, I'm speaking of myself, my family and close community. I can speak authoritatively about what we think because we are a close-knit community who often speak of such matters. We have a close beloved community in that sense. You probably have such a community in your life, as well, right?
Or maybe not, you tell me.
2. We are systematically committed against abuses of power and we mean it. We have integrity that way. If Biden were to stupidly flout the law and demonstrate he was as corrupt and troubled as Trump, we would oppose him. If he had dozens of indictments or women accusing him of sexual harassment, we would oppose him.
Because we're consistent, you can count on that.
Heck, many of us demanded that Bill Clinton step down for WAY less problematic behavior.
By me and mine, I don't mean all Democrats, but certainly some if not most would join us in demanding resignations.
IF there was any significant proof of abuse of power, corruption or dangerous fraud even approaching Trumpian levels of unfitness.
And that's the difference between at least my sort of progressives and the modern Maga GOP.
Dan
"Of course Biden is using the DOJ to impede Trump, who he clearly believes to be his biggest challenger. There is absolutely nothing in any of these charges that couldn't have been delayed until after the next election."
This is, of course, a lie, a damned lie and a serious charge (conspiracy theory-level) you're making with NO proof. This is the problem with the modern Maga movement (let's just stop calling you all conservatives... there's nothing of conservatism in this modern movement): you all think it's okay to make damning stupidly false and seriously dangerous sorts of charges with no support, as if keeping the based riled up against fellow citizens, family and friends by casting them as soulless monsters is an acceptable practice. All the while ignoring the unprecedented corruption and dangerous levels of stupidity in your leadership (Trump, Gaetz, Taylor Green, etc, etc).
Historians, scholars and regular citizens not blinded by partisanship are just left scratching our heads and praying for the now-minority of reasonable conservatives to rise up and at least try to save conservatives from the magazine.
Dan
"Speaking of me and my family and my closest church friends... people I know quite well, I can state authoritatively that we would NOT support Biden giving a pardon to his son..."
He says this as if it's worthy of recognition given the obvious nature of withholding such support. Dan wants a collective pat on the back.
"You see, amongst me and my friends and family and community, we know each other exceedingly well."
And still they associate with each other! Amazing!! Such a tolerance for the intolerable!!
"It's about integrity, my friend."
Says the guy who defends sexual immorality, murdering people in utero, the fraud of more than two genders, forcing others to pay for their own mistakes and a host of other sins.
"Maybe I'm not as pessimistic as you are about my friends and family?"
All we have to go on is that you insist your family and friends think like you do. Thus, it's not "pessimism". It's conviction in the belief they're all as morally bankrupt as you are.
"You probably have such a community in your life, as well, right?"
I do. Although I would never be so presumptuous as to speak for them in regards to guaranteeing that they would say a certain thing or act a certain way in the future. I have no need to appropriate or speak for others in order to attempt to bolster my position. I'm not so insecure that I feel the need to speak for other people to give myself more credibility.
"This is, of course, a lie, a damned lie and a serious charge (conspiracy theory-level) you're making with NO proof."
What an interesting claim. We literally have Biden admitting that his goal is to prevent Trump from willing the election through any means necessary. We literally have the partisan, Biden controlled DOJ actively trying to convict Trump in the middle of an election cycle for minor offenses that could wait until after the election. We literally have every single charge brought against Trump demonstrated to be false up to this point, and all of the "conspiracy theories" y'all have trumpeted have ended up being bullshit. Finally, y'all said nothing when DFL candidates bitched about election outcomes after multiple elections.
I'll choose to wait for the outcomes, instead of prejudging people based on partisan hatred.
Excellent example of you choosing to treat people as members of a group (a group that YOU choose to put them in), and to hold individuals responsible for the words and actions of others who you also put in some arbitrary group.
Oath Keepers extremists were prepared to use “any means necessary” on Jan. 6, 2021, to stop the certification of Democrat Joe Biden’s electoral victory, a member of the group testified Tuesday.
I can find no quotes of Biden saying preventing Trump from winning "by any means necessary." It's probably a BS claim by another MAGA acolyte. Is that a fair assessment? That this is just another unsupported and false claim on your part?
I CAN find MAGA types saying that. From AP:
Oath Keepers extremists were prepared to use “any means necessary” on Jan. 6, 2021, to stop the certification of Democrat Joe Biden’s electoral victory, a member of the group testified Tuesday.
It's impressive to watch Dan cling to the J6 narrative, and indicate that he really believes that one member of one small, fringe, group speaks for everyone who engaged in the mostly peaceful J^ protests. I guess "by any means necessary" would include the protesters leaving the capitol building peacefully after a relatively short time period and dispersing. Scary.
I was just watching something on TV which listed a host of Biden lies...lies which have no parallel any Trump-hater has yet to provide.
He lied about how his wife died (drunk driver)
He lied about how his son died (died in Iraq)
He lied about his law-school record and grades
He lied in plagiarizing others on multiple occasions
He lied about marching with civil rights activists
He lied in 2019 about opposing the Iraq war
He lied that Obama didn't lock illegals in cages
He lied that the NAACP endorsed him every time he's run for office
He lied that the boilermakers union endorsed him
He lied about having created jobs after COVID
He lied that wages are higher than they were pre-COVID
He lied that his administration "has overseen “[m]ore jobs added [to the U.S. economy] in two and a half years than any president has ever created in a four-year term.”
He lied that he was appointed to the [U.S. Naval] Academy in 1965.
He lied about having only four granddaughters.
He lied in saying “RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel Says Possible U.S. Default ‘Bodes Very Well for the Republican Field’ in 2024.”
He lied that he created the “Quad,” an alliance between the U.S., Japan, Australia, and India.
He lied in saying he lowered energy costs for Americans
He lied in saying the GOP is behind "defund the police"
He lied when he said the riot on Jan. 6, 2021, was the greatest threat to democracy since the Civil War.
He lied that "A cashier at a burger place can’t walk across town and take the same job at another burger place and make a few bucks more"
He lied by blaming the spike in violent crime on COVID
He lied that his ban on "assault weapons" reduced mass shootings and that they rose after the GOP allowed the ban to expired
He lied in saying he went to a black church as a teen (maybe he went once)
He lied that he taught classes at UPenn after being VP
He lied that cops were killed by Jan 6 protesters
He continues to lie that Trump claimed there are good nazis
He lies that the GOP suppresses eligible voters
This is exhausting, and I haven't scratched the surface. While Dan revels in WaPo's BS tally of Trump lies, I doubt he could find anything that resembles what lies meant to deceive really look like. Biden's lie are always to prop himself up in ways that are totally fallacious. Trump merely exaggerates like a carnival barker. I'm still waiting for Dan (or anyone who speaks to Trump's "dishonesty") to provide an example of falsehood he's ever said which is significant as any of these from this very, very short list.
Dan's the worst kind of partisan hack. He's the liar he claims Trump is, and that's been clear since way before Trump decided to run for office. As the list above attests and affirms, Dan lies about the character of Joe Biden.
Why didn't Dan post a quote from any of these Oath Keeper guys, rather than quote the media? Could it be that they're overstating the intentions of the Oath Keepers?
https://thenewamerican.com/us/crime/update-oath-keepers-sedition-trial-under-scrutiny-after-leaked-fbi-document-shows-members-protected-capitol-police/
...yet Rhodes seems quite like a POS:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jessicagarrison/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-early-history-conflicts
For anyone to be considered an insurrectionist, or conspiring to overthrow the government on Jan 6, how does that work when the government was still in the hands of the guy they wanted to remain?
Dan is content to take one statement, out of context, from one person and apply it to hundreds of others that he's chosen to lump together. His position also ignores the reality that the J6 protesters left peacefully, after a short time in the capitol after doing very minimal damage.
He's content to cling to the narrative (he probably still thinks that the protesters killed multiple cops) despite any information to the contrary.
Look, it's insane to deny that Trump's relationship with the Truth is elastic at best and that he has no problem with manipulating things to his benefit. Yet it's equally insane to pretend that Biden doesn't have a decades long track record of lies and plagiarism of his own. Biden regularly repeats lies that have already been proven to be lies.
It's all about the double standard.
I guess "by any means necessary" would include the protesters leaving the capitol building peacefully after a relatively short time period and dispersing. Scary.
I guess you, Craig, think it's okay to make this stupidly false claim about what J Biden "literally said" when he literally didn't, but that is the problem with the modern MAGA movement, of which you are a part, in spirit.
(he probably still thinks that the protesters killed multiple cops
You probably still think that I EVER SAID THAT. But the reality is, I didn't and it's just another stupidly false claim in the MAGA vein. "Just say any shit, the facts don't matter. What matters is painting your enemies as monsters, irrational and bent on destroying all good..."
The protesters - hundreds of which have been indicted and convicted by a court of law - who tried to disrupt a legal election literally injured over 100 police officers in their literal insurrection REALLY did cause that harm.
But you write it off as "not real," living in a fantasy bubble that seeks only to defend nutty insurrectionists and demonize the police/justice system and decent people.
Marshal...
Why didn't Dan post a quote from any of these Oath Keeper guys, rather than quote the media? Could it be that they're overstating the intentions of the Oath Keepers?
Reality...
"“It seemed to me a lot of us were prepared — I was prepared — to stop the certification process one way or the other,” Dolan said. When asked by the prosecutor how they would achieve that goal, Dolan responded: “By any means necessary. That’s why we brought our firearms.” "
Will Marshal apologize for his false attack on the media?
Doubtful. It's not the way of the modern MAGA movement. Their motto? "Say whatever is necessary to demonize the liberals... it doesn't matter if it's true or not." OR, as your "Oath keeper" (ugh) boyfriend said, "By any means necessary."
You truly are his brother.
Marshal...
He lied about how his wife died (drunk driver)
Joe Biden...
A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly -- and I never pursued it -- drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries."
Joe Biden said something like that twice. AND rumors were swirling that this was the case. But it's a stretch to say that Biden is lying (TWICE) about it. But Marshal probably doesn't care about the facts. It's enough to demonize a political opponent. That's the MAGA way.
His position also ignores the reality that the J6 protesters left peacefully, after a short time in the capitol after doing very minimal damage.
The cops who were assaulted don't describe it that way. But sure, 100+ cops being assaulted in an effort to disrupt an election (as proven in a court of law) is "minimal damage..." That certainly COULD be a judgment call one makes.
Fortunately, the courts haven't listened to Craig and his uninformed opinions defending a bunch of admitted insurrectionists led/encouraged by an obviously corrupt and intentionally disruptive liar without regard to people's safety or a free republic.
Open your eyes, boys. You've been played for fools, useful idiots in the hands of a pervert idiot.
When you have nothing else, lie about my affiliation with "MAGA".
It's interesting that Dan's response to my conclusion that he probably believes the narrative that multiple police officers were killed on J6, responds by mentioning police officers who were injured.
It's also interesting that he has no problem taking the statement of one individual, and presuming that that one individual represents all of the hundreds of protesters on J6.
Hell, he probably believes that the 2020 Minneapolis riots were "mostly peaceful".
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