...while they abuse "due process" for Trump and his supporters...and for parents objecting to CRT and sexual perversion taught and promoted in the schools their children attend...and for pro-life advocates for praying in front of baby-butcher shops.
As you may or may not know, Due Process is a legal term meaning all people have a right to a fair, orderly legal process, that they have a right to know what they are being charged with and the tight to make their case in a court of law, not merely abducted and disappeared as happens in fascist nations and, now, in the US. It appears that you all don't care about this right, so I'm not sure why you're raising the issue.
It doesn't have anything to with entering the country.
But shame on you for defending this fascist leadership.
I'm well aware of that fact, and yet, the other fact remains. That you and those like you demand due process in one circumstance for those who intentionally chose not to go through the correct/legal/due process on the other.
Of course, in the case of immigration issues, the process is different than in other criminal proceedings.
I'm raising the issue to point out the hypocrisy of yourself and those like you who show disdain for the legal immigration process, while trying to use the legal process to protect those who've come here illegally.
FYI, I have no problem with quickly and efficiently deporting those who are here illegally according to the appropriate legal process.
"That you and those like you demand due process in one circumstance for those who intentionally chose not to go through the correct/legal/due process on the other."
Well, in this case, we have a 16 year old child facing death threats from people who moved to someplace safer... well, that's just rational and causes no harm.
But the fascist and his allies are spreading malicious slander and threats (a crime, itself) AND refusing due process that is putting his life at risk and causing great harm to him and his family.
These two things are not alike.
What is broken in modern maga types that y'all can't understand the difference?
"But Lord, WHEN were you a stranger and in need and we didn't help...??"
Yes...Dan pretends to give a flying rat's ass about due process. The truth is that he only cares about whatever results in Trump being stymied. He pretends Trump is a fascist and that his policies with regard to illegal aliens is fascistic. That's like saying policies to arrest and punish thieves are fascistic. There's nothing at all fascistic about enforcing existing laws, which in this case means apprehending illegals and sending them back. If there's perceived by the stupid a threat of deportation of actual citizens, those with such fears would do well to keep on their person evidence of their citizenship. There was a time when a driver's license could do the trick, but the stupid...like Dan...saw fit to allow illegal aliens a driver's license.
I defend totally Trump's initiative. Dan's hate for him is support for the degradation of our society. Dan's unAmerican and unChristian, as what he supports is most harmful to our nation. He's just too stupid to know it, or he's actively pursuing fundamentally changing the nation to the marxist utopia he believes can exist. But that just proves how stupid Dan truly is.
Why start your bullshit with a flat out lie? I literally anticipated this line of bullshit and preempted it in an earlier comment.
In which case? You can''t just throw this kind of unsourced vague crap out and expect us to take it seriously.
You keep making these unproven, unsupported, claims as if simply making them is enough. If you're talking about Garcia, the fact that he might have been in danger from another gang, I'm not sympathetic. Further, I'd argue that the apparent human trafficking he got off on is enough to send him back.
I know this is hard for you, but we don't live in a theocracy. If you and your imaginary friends want to help these people, then get your asses out from behind your keyboard, get on a plane, and go help them.
Dan's selective reverence for due process is laughable. He didn't seem so concerned when it was Trump. Proper process isn't necessary to get into the country, but it is to get thrown out.
"If you're talking about Garcia, the fact that he might have been in danger from another gang, I'm not sympathetic. Further, I'd argue that the apparent human trafficking he got off on is enough to send him back."
Yes! I'm talking about MR. Garcia (for graceless abusers of humanity, like you.) And, of course you're not sympathetic to a child facing death threats. Your heart is hardened and your soul is a black crevice of hate.
And WHAT "human trafficking..."?!
That's the false claim. YOU don't know shit about Mr Garcia and yet you're glad to pass on wholly unsupported and deadly claims as if such slander is acceptable amongst rational, moral people, do you understand that? That your deadly serious assertions and slander are causing harm to people when it's based upon wholly fabricated gossip.
I don't know what you're talking about ME making a "flat out lie...," that seems to apply only to you.
Craig...
"In which case? You can''t just throw this kind of unsourced vague crap.."
Mr Garcia's case. The person YOU brought up with your hateful dangerous lies and gossip.
Perhaps you're just not reading the actual news, but he was a 16 year old child when he fled El Salvador to get away from death threats?
What kind of soulless ghoul doesn't have sympathy for a youth in such a situation?
Seriously, WHY would any alleged follower of Jesus not have sympathy for someone in that situation?
What's wrong with you?
If I had to guess, I'd guess you're listening to extremists who are assuring you that this man eats babies and digs up corpses, so, "be afraid!!"
"But the fascist and his allies are spreading malicious slander and threats (a crime, itself) AND refusing due process that is putting his life at risk and causing great harm to him and his family."
But Biden is no longer in office. Obama has no clout. Now we have a real American who is working on behalf of the American people to ensure their liberty, safety and prosperity. Apprehending illegals and sending them back whence they came is due process. They have not been denied due process.
While I think Craig would agree with me that with so many invaders to remove from our land, it's more possible that those who are legally here might be caught up every once in awhile. Should one fear that possibility for themselves, one might want to have easily available for one's defense all documentation which might disabuse authorities from acting on their mistake. Pretty simple, really. Illegals won't have such documentation...especially as lefty asshats preferred the term "undocumented", justifying their removal.
"What is broken in modern maga types that y'all can't understand the difference?"
It's not any "modern 'maga' types" who fail to understand the issue. If the "modern 'progressive' types" understood the issue, they would have better lies about it. Given the devotion to the principles upon which this nation was founded, the "modern 'maga' types" are far from broken. The "modern 'progressive' types"...otherwise known as "marxists"...aren't broken, either. They are doing what they intend to do, and that's far worse. They're evil sons-of-bitches.
""But Lord, WHEN were you a stranger and in need and we didn't help...??""
Oh, look! The fake Christian again perverts Scripture to rationalize his support for criminal behavior! What a shocker! In doing so, he also validate my belief that he regards all illegals as "refugees" and "asylum" seekers, with not a one of them worthy of deporting for any reason...including the fact they came across our border illegally and in breach of our laws.
The answer is that Jesus did not...EVER...advocate for the enabling of illegal activity.
I love this crap about how Dan thinks he can just make up crimes.
I realize that with tens of millions of illegal aliens, that it is possible that a few legal aliens might get caught up in the deportations. The answer to that is simple. If that happens, acknowledge the mistake and fix it as quickly as possible.
Again with perverting scripture. The problem is that in Dan's bizarro world, the entity that is supposed to help all of these people is the government, using tax dollars. That way folx like Dan can always demand more of other people's money to fix every problem, everywhere. Unless it's Muslims killing Jews, then they want to stay away from that or side with the Muslims.
If Garcia as a member of a gang faced death threats from another gang, that is part and parcel of joining one of these gangs. It's the risk you take when you joining. Further, I'd suspect that three were members of other gangs who were in equal danger from Garcia and his gangcbuddies.
Garcia was arrested with a vehicle full of illegal aliens, based on the reporting I've seen he was given a free pass on this.
Because there's some kind of special protection for 16 year old MS 13 members? Because he only joined MS-13 when he got to the US?
For the same reason that I don't have excessive sympathy for any young person who makes poor choices.
Again, when you "guess" about something, then spout lies and bullshit, you become what you accuse others of being. Nice job.
And yet, I notice you offer not ONE bit of evidence or actual journalism. Just you noting, "from what I hear..."
No one cares what you hear or the "reporting you've seen" if it's not backed up with proof. Failing that, you're just engaging in gossip and slander, by definition.
The KKK Journal may well report that, but that's only a strike against one's credibility.
Do you agree that slander is likewise Godless, that it's a way of attempting to kill someone's reputation and can be literally quite deadly, especially, In times like these and places like Nazi Germany?
Do you acknowledge that passing on unsubstantiated stories you have no proof for is gossiping?
Aren't you, therefore, literally gossiping about this man, causing harm to his reputation about stories you don't know are true?
And if it turns out that your defamation is wrong, are you not contributing to the false imprisonment of an innocent man and an attack on human rights and due process by this fascist administration?
"when you "guess" about something, then spout lies and bullshit,"
You are literally making unsupported allegations not being carried by legitimate news organizations as far as I can find.
If your source is not journalists, then why is it an irrational guess that you're getting your info from places not in the mainstream of news reporting?
And making a guess/asking a question is not a lie. It is literally a guess based upon available data.
And STILL you repeat your slanderous allegations with no link of support. Just your gossip.
Strange. You do this very thing all the time, yet you object when others do it. Maybe it'll reinforce how annoying it is when you pull this "Well I've never seen/heard...".
Well, I'd argue that choosing to be a part of a violent, drug trafficking gang like MS13 is a poor choice. Maybe you'd disagree with that.
Do you know that falsely accusing people of things you haven't proven is "godless"?
Do you know that accusing someone of "gossip" or "slander" without proof of (among other things) intent, is "godless" and bearing false witness?
Do you understand that, these things are equally bad when you do them?
The dude has been in front of judges somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 times, and that both the judiciary and LE conclusion is that he's associated with MS13. Do you understand that MS13 is a violent gang that (among other things) smuggles drugs into the US?
If I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and apologize, unlike you.
If by "open my...eyes", you mean agree with your unproven claims, never.
So you do exactly what you bitch about me doing, and act as if what you "can find" is some sort of definitive proof.
Look, I know that you JUCO journalism class has given you some sort of unhealthy obsession with the MSM being the only possible place where "truth" can be reported, but that's your problem. That you revere the MSM which has a recent track record of going all in on things like spreading the lies about COVID, multiple lies about Trump (Russian influence, Pizzagate, the Steele dossier), and the like again tells me how little you care about Truth.
Again, if you aren't going to hold yourself to the standards you demand of others, maybe you should chill out. That you ignore links in other posts, again, your problem.
"According to documents posted online by the Justice Department, Mr. Abrego Garcia said he entered the United States illegally in March 2012 through the U.S.-Mexico border near McAllen, Texas. He was arrested in March 2019, while looking for work at a Home Depot in Maryland."
So, as of March 2012, Garcia was a criminal, violating US immigration laws.
"The Prince George’s County Police records of that arrest, from the same tranche of documents released by the administration, identified Mr. Abrego Garcia as a member of MS-13, citing his clothing, the fact that he was apprehended alongside a known MS-13 gang member and information about his role from a confidential source."
"In October 2019, an immigration judge ruled that Mr. Abrego Garcia could not be deported back to El Salvador because he faced a credible fear of persecution from a different gang, Barrio 18. "
Which is exactly what I said. A member of one gang, being threatened by another.
"The Trump administration has also accused Mr. Abrego Garcia of human trafficking based on an episode in 2022 when he was pulled over by the highway patrol in Tennessee while driving eight people from Houston to Maryland. "
"In 2021, she filed a protective order against her husband, alleging domestic violence."
"To be clear, Mr. Abrego Garcia has never been charged with — let alone convicted of — being a member of the gang. But during his deportation proceedings, some evidence was introduced that he belonged to MS-13, and judges decided it was enough to keep him in custody while the matter was resolved."
NYT April 21, 2025
Strange, now that pretty much everything I said has been reported in one of your revered MSM sources for "real journalism", I guess you'll be retracting all of YOUR slander very soon.
That you weren't able to find this, tells me that you probably didn't look very hard.
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...while they abuse "due process" for Trump and his supporters...and for parents objecting to CRT and sexual perversion taught and promoted in the schools their children attend...and for pro-life advocates for praying in front of baby-butcher shops.
What else would you expect? Moving the goal posts and twisting the system to advance their agenda.
As you may or may not know, Due Process is a legal term meaning all people have a right to a fair, orderly legal process, that they have a right to know what they are being charged with and the tight to make their case in a court of law, not merely abducted and disappeared as happens in fascist nations and, now, in the US. It appears that you all don't care about this right, so I'm not sure why you're raising the issue.
It doesn't have anything to with entering the country.
But shame on you for defending this fascist leadership.
Dan
I'm well aware of that fact, and yet, the other fact remains. That you and those like you demand due process in one circumstance for those who intentionally chose not to go through the correct/legal/due process on the other.
Of course, in the case of immigration issues, the process is different than in other criminal proceedings.
I'm raising the issue to point out the hypocrisy of yourself and those like you who show disdain for the legal immigration process, while trying to use the legal process to protect those who've come here illegally.
FYI, I have no problem with quickly and efficiently deporting those who are here illegally according to the appropriate legal process.
"That you and those like you demand due process in one circumstance for those who intentionally chose not to go through the correct/legal/due process on the other."
Well, in this case, we have a 16 year old child facing death threats from people who moved to someplace safer... well, that's just rational and causes no harm.
But the fascist and his allies are spreading malicious slander and threats (a crime, itself) AND refusing due process that is putting his life at risk and causing great harm to him and his family.
These two things are not alike.
What is broken in modern maga types that y'all can't understand the difference?
"But Lord, WHEN were you a stranger and in need and we didn't help...??"
We know the answer.
Dan
Yes...Dan pretends to give a flying rat's ass about due process. The truth is that he only cares about whatever results in Trump being stymied. He pretends Trump is a fascist and that his policies with regard to illegal aliens is fascistic. That's like saying policies to arrest and punish thieves are fascistic. There's nothing at all fascistic about enforcing existing laws, which in this case means apprehending illegals and sending them back. If there's perceived by the stupid a threat of deportation of actual citizens, those with such fears would do well to keep on their person evidence of their citizenship. There was a time when a driver's license could do the trick, but the stupid...like Dan...saw fit to allow illegal aliens a driver's license.
I defend totally Trump's initiative. Dan's hate for him is support for the degradation of our society. Dan's unAmerican and unChristian, as what he supports is most harmful to our nation. He's just too stupid to know it, or he's actively pursuing fundamentally changing the nation to the marxist utopia he believes can exist. But that just proves how stupid Dan truly is.
Why start your bullshit with a flat out lie? I literally anticipated this line of bullshit and preempted it in an earlier comment.
In which case? You can''t just throw this kind of unsourced vague crap out and expect us to take it seriously.
You keep making these unproven, unsupported, claims as if simply making them is enough. If you're talking about Garcia, the fact that he might have been in danger from another gang, I'm not sympathetic. Further, I'd argue that the apparent human trafficking he got off on is enough to send him back.
I know this is hard for you, but we don't live in a theocracy. If you and your imaginary friends want to help these people, then get your asses out from behind your keyboard, get on a plane, and go help them.
Dan's selective reverence for due process is laughable. He didn't seem so concerned when it was Trump. Proper process isn't necessary to get into the country, but it is to get thrown out.
Craig...
"If you're talking about Garcia, the fact that he might have been in danger from another gang, I'm not sympathetic. Further, I'd argue that the apparent human trafficking he got off on is enough to send him back."
Yes! I'm talking about MR. Garcia (for graceless abusers of humanity, like you.) And, of course you're not sympathetic to a child facing death threats. Your heart is hardened and your soul is a black crevice of hate.
And WHAT "human trafficking..."?!
That's the false claim. YOU don't know shit about Mr Garcia and yet you're glad to pass on wholly unsupported and deadly claims as if such slander is acceptable amongst rational, moral people, do you understand that? That your deadly serious assertions and slander are causing harm to people when it's based upon wholly fabricated gossip.
I don't know what you're talking about ME making a "flat out lie...," that seems to apply only to you.
Craig...
"In which case? You can''t just throw this kind of unsourced vague crap.."
Mr Garcia's case. The person YOU brought up with your hateful dangerous lies and gossip.
Perhaps you're just not reading the actual news, but he was a 16 year old child when he fled El Salvador to get away from death threats?
What kind of soulless ghoul doesn't have sympathy for a youth in such a situation?
Seriously, WHY would any alleged follower of Jesus not have sympathy for someone in that situation?
What's wrong with you?
If I had to guess, I'd guess you're listening to extremists who are assuring you that this man eats babies and digs up corpses, so, "be afraid!!"
Dan
"But the fascist and his allies are spreading malicious slander and threats (a crime, itself) AND refusing due process that is putting his life at risk and causing great harm to him and his family."
But Biden is no longer in office. Obama has no clout. Now we have a real American who is working on behalf of the American people to ensure their liberty, safety and prosperity. Apprehending illegals and sending them back whence they came is due process. They have not been denied due process.
While I think Craig would agree with me that with so many invaders to remove from our land, it's more possible that those who are legally here might be caught up every once in awhile. Should one fear that possibility for themselves, one might want to have easily available for one's defense all documentation which might disabuse authorities from acting on their mistake. Pretty simple, really. Illegals won't have such documentation...especially as lefty asshats preferred the term "undocumented", justifying their removal.
"What is broken in modern maga types that y'all can't understand the difference?"
It's not any "modern 'maga' types" who fail to understand the issue. If the "modern 'progressive' types" understood the issue, they would have better lies about it. Given the devotion to the principles upon which this nation was founded, the "modern 'maga' types" are far from broken. The "modern 'progressive' types"...otherwise known as "marxists"...aren't broken, either. They are doing what they intend to do, and that's far worse. They're evil sons-of-bitches.
""But Lord, WHEN were you a stranger and in need and we didn't help...??""
Oh, look! The fake Christian again perverts Scripture to rationalize his support for criminal behavior! What a shocker! In doing so, he also validate my belief that he regards all illegals as "refugees" and "asylum" seekers, with not a one of them worthy of deporting for any reason...including the fact they came across our border illegally and in breach of our laws.
The answer is that Jesus did not...EVER...advocate for the enabling of illegal activity.
I love this crap about how Dan thinks he can just make up crimes.
I realize that with tens of millions of illegal aliens, that it is possible that a few legal aliens might get caught up in the deportations. The answer to that is simple. If that happens, acknowledge the mistake and fix it as quickly as possible.
Again with perverting scripture. The problem is that in Dan's bizarro world, the entity that is supposed to help all of these people is the government, using tax dollars. That way folx like Dan can always demand more of other people's money to fix every problem, everywhere. Unless it's Muslims killing Jews, then they want to stay away from that or side with the Muslims.
If Garcia as a member of a gang faced death threats from another gang, that is part and parcel of joining one of these gangs. It's the risk you take when you joining. Further, I'd suspect that three were members of other gangs who were in equal danger from Garcia and his gangcbuddies.
Garcia was arrested with a vehicle full of illegal aliens, based on the reporting I've seen he was given a free pass on this.
Because there's some kind of special protection for 16 year old MS 13 members? Because he only joined MS-13 when he got to the US?
For the same reason that I don't have excessive sympathy for any young person who makes poor choices.
Again, when you "guess" about something, then spout lies and bullshit, you become what you accuse others of being. Nice job.
And yet, I notice you offer not ONE bit of evidence or actual journalism. Just you noting, "from what I hear..."
No one cares what you hear or the "reporting you've seen" if it's not backed up with proof. Failing that, you're just engaging in gossip and slander, by definition.
The KKK Journal may well report that, but that's only a strike against one's credibility.
WHAT "poor choices," godless gossip boy?
Dan
Look, do you agree that gossip is Godless?
Do you agree that slander is likewise Godless, that it's a way of attempting to kill someone's reputation and can be literally quite deadly, especially, In times like these and places like Nazi Germany?
Do you acknowledge that passing on unsubstantiated stories you have no proof for is gossiping?
Aren't you, therefore, literally gossiping about this man, causing harm to his reputation about stories you don't know are true?
And if it turns out that your defamation is wrong, are you not contributing to the false imprisonment of an innocent man and an attack on human rights and due process by this fascist administration?
What will it take to open your collective eyes?
Dan
Craig...
"when you "guess" about something, then spout lies and bullshit,"
You are literally making unsupported allegations not being carried by legitimate news organizations as far as I can find.
If your source is not journalists, then why is it an irrational guess that you're getting your info from places not in the mainstream of news reporting?
And making a guess/asking a question is not a lie. It is literally a guess based upon available data.
And STILL you repeat your slanderous allegations with no link of support. Just your gossip.
Dan
Strange. You do this very thing all the time, yet you object when others do it. Maybe it'll reinforce how annoying it is when you pull this "Well I've never seen/heard...".
Well, I'd argue that choosing to be a part of a violent, drug trafficking gang like MS13 is a poor choice. Maybe you'd disagree with that.
It's strange to hear Dan, who's usually obsessed with trying to pretend that we're all "christian brothers" calling me "godless".
Do you know that falsely accusing people of things you haven't proven is "godless"?
Do you know that accusing someone of "gossip" or "slander" without proof of (among other things) intent, is "godless" and bearing false witness?
Do you understand that, these things are equally bad when you do them?
The dude has been in front of judges somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 times, and that both the judiciary and LE conclusion is that he's associated with MS13. Do you understand that MS13 is a violent gang that (among other things) smuggles drugs into the US?
If I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and apologize, unlike you.
If by "open my...eyes", you mean agree with your unproven claims, never.
"as far as I can find."
So you do exactly what you bitch about me doing, and act as if what you "can find" is some sort of definitive proof.
Look, I know that you JUCO journalism class has given you some sort of unhealthy obsession with the MSM being the only possible place where "truth" can be reported, but that's your problem. That you revere the MSM which has a recent track record of going all in on things like spreading the lies about COVID, multiple lies about Trump (Russian influence, Pizzagate, the Steele dossier), and the like again tells me how little you care about Truth.
Again, if you aren't going to hold yourself to the standards you demand of others, maybe you should chill out. That you ignore links in other posts, again, your problem.
"According to documents posted online by the Justice Department, Mr. Abrego Garcia said he entered the United States illegally in March 2012 through the U.S.-Mexico border near McAllen, Texas. He was arrested in March 2019, while looking for work at a Home Depot in Maryland."
So, as of March 2012, Garcia was a criminal, violating US immigration laws.
"The Prince George’s County Police records of that arrest, from the same tranche of documents released by the administration, identified Mr. Abrego Garcia as a member of MS-13, citing his clothing, the fact that he was apprehended alongside a known MS-13 gang member and information about his role from a confidential source."
"In October 2019, an immigration judge ruled that Mr. Abrego Garcia could not be deported back to El Salvador because he faced a credible fear of persecution from a different gang, Barrio 18. "
Which is exactly what I said. A member of one gang, being threatened by another.
"The Trump administration has also accused Mr. Abrego Garcia of human trafficking based on an episode in 2022 when he was pulled over by the highway patrol in Tennessee while driving eight people from Houston to Maryland. "
"In 2021, she filed a protective order against her husband, alleging domestic violence."
"To be clear, Mr. Abrego Garcia has never been charged with — let alone convicted of — being a member of the gang. But during his deportation proceedings, some evidence was introduced that he belonged to MS-13, and judges decided it was enough to keep him in custody while the matter was resolved."
NYT April 21, 2025
Strange, now that pretty much everything I said has been reported in one of your revered MSM sources for "real journalism", I guess you'll be retracting all of YOUR slander very soon.
That you weren't able to find this, tells me that you probably didn't look very hard.
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