https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp82l5k0d15o
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/operation-stovewood-three-men-found-guilty-of-raping-girls
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/25/rotheram-grooming-victim-white-girls-for-rape-crime/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/rotherham-teen-told-that-is-what-white-girls-for-when-she-was-raped-by-3-men-court-told/ar-AA
Since 2015 the DFL has been desperately searching for dirt on Trump, they went so far as to manufacture an entire false narrative about Trump and Russia, which was spread by multiple political opponents as well as the revered MSM. So far, despite years of effort, rewriting NY law, putting up a completely un credible accuser, they haven't found anything much. At the same time, two of the prosecutors who went after him have engaged in illegal activities, and one of his opponents engaged in what can only be described as multiple counts of mortgage fraud over an extended period of time and the Russiagate bullshit is finally unravelling.
Despite all of this, Dan has his panties in a wad over gossip and rumor, yet remains completely silent when confronted with multiple examples of actual CHILD RAPE.
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So, here are three recent stories of conservative GOP leaders in the US (three out of MANY others) who have either been arrested or convicted of a variety of sexual crimes, sexual torture, murder, etc...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/13/rj-may-south-carolina-child-sexual-abuse
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-unpacking-rumor-alabama-235800686.html
https://minnesotareformer.com/2025/03/18/gop-state-sen-justin-eichorn-arrested-for-suspicion-of-soliciting-sex-with-a-17-year-old-girl/
AND YET, Craig has not condemned a single one of these American conservatives, OR, any of the others.
Clearly then, by Craig's own graceless, irrational measure, Craig MUST NOT CARE about sex crimes. His silence speaks volumes!
Get serious. Apologize, retract your idiotic slander and be a better man moving forward.
Before Dan says anything, I'll get ahead of this story.
Apparently in UT the president of the senate changed the age limits to prevent a friend of his from being classified as a sex offender.
Let's start with this. I'm not looking to UT for the gold standard of sexual ethics or morality, and I can guarantee you that there are lots of 13-14 year old girl who've been married of as wife number 4 or 5.
There are a couple of dynamics to this story which seem relevant.
1. Branding a teenage boy a sex offender for the rest of his life for a (presumably) consensual sexual relationship with an underage girl seems harsh.
2. We live in a culture that has increasingly sexualized younger and younger girls to the point where it can be difficult to determine age by appearance.
3. It sounds like there was no direct quid pro quo in the case, although the change in the law did influence the plea agreement.
4. Obviously, 13 year olds should not be having sex with anyone, and 18 year olds should not be having sex with 13 years olds.
5. The law was the law and it should have been applied.
6. This is an area where it seems like the law has lagged behind culture and maybe something should change. IMO culture should change to stop sexualizing young girls, but that's just me.
With all of that said, it sounds like the kid agreed to a plea deal and this will likely haunt him for the rest of his life.
Assuming it was consensual (leaving aside arguments about whether or not a 13 year old can consent to sex), I honestly don't see where there was any significant harm to either party. I could argue that encouraging 13 year olds to be sexually active could harm society at large, but that's not the point. I could also argue that if a 13 year old can consent to having perceptibly healthy, functioning body parts cut off and permanently altering virtually every aspect of their beings, that consenting to a sexual relationship with another teenager isn't that big of a deal.
In short, what happened was illegal, he should have been (and was) punished, and if the change in the law was for his benefit than the lawmaker should be punished as well.
I should have checked this earlier, but in UT that age of consent for sex can be as low as 14. Which potentially changes the narrative a bit. What if the girl was 13 years, 364 days old and the boy was 17 years, one day old?
Does the fact that this was a matter of one day from legal to illegal change things?
CRAIG REMAINS SILENT ON SEXUAL ASSAULT/RAPE/SEXUAL TORTURE CASES HERE IN THE USA, at least when it's a conservative. If it were a Muslim or black liberal, he'd no doubt pass on that news.
CONCLUSION: CRAIG DOESN'T CARE ABOUT STOPPING RAPISTS AND MAY BE A PEDOPHILE HIMSELF!!
Your graceless, childish standards are just that. No one, including Craig Almighty, addresses every crime.
Don't be afraid dope.
This almost militant choice to ignore CHILD RAPE in both the US and Europe by attacking me and holding to some bizarre standard that you don't hold your self to is literally insane.
That you are so obsessed with not saying a word about the "rape culture" growing in the West, while hiding behind ad hom attacks and lies cannot indicate anything other that a mental health issue or moral bankruptcy.
At least I have standards, unfortunately you appear to have none.
The problem is NOT that I expect you to address "every crime", the problem is that you've chosen to ignore and hide from an increasing list of specific crimes and instead have chosen this bullshit.
I get it, I really do. To acknowledge the vast increases in rape, child rape, sexual assault, and other crimes in Europe requires facing difficult realities about your strongly held beliefs and narratives. To acknowledge the same in the US hits even closer to home. I understand that it's scary when reality conflicts with your cherished Narratives. Yet your complete lack of acknowledgement of the horrors being inflicted on children in Europe as well as the US, that you can't even bring your self to acknowledge the reality that exists, simply indicates that the moral compass you are so proud of is deeply, deeply flawed.
I'll close by pointing out the one standard you do have, your double standard. When there's a "mass shooting" you're quick to jump to the conclusion that it was a "white conservative extremist" and demand that we immediately condemn that specific act. Yet, when the shooter isn't white, isn't conservative, or doesn't fit your template for outrage you stay silent.
Just last week, you defended CNN for saying that the recent NY shooter was white when he was clearly black. No acknowledgement of your "mistake", no apology, no retraction, no nothing, just silence.
That's the difference in our standards, I have a consistent standard where I'll condemn wrongdoing specifically regardless of the facts of the case, regardless of whether or not it's "my side". You're quick to bitch about Trump and Epstein, but silent on Weinstein. You're quick to attack someone you think is a "white conservative extremist" for imaginary crimes, but make excuses or express understanding when it's a leftist murdering an insurance exec.
The problem you have is that the data doesn't lie. You can't find data that mitigates the fact that the demographic which is driving this rise in "rape culture" is what it is.
If the tens of thousands of yearly rapes in the UK were all driven by the Irish, I'd say the exact same thing I'm saying now. Which is to simply post links to news stories from your revered MSM, from the EU, and third party aggregators. That you've jumped from those news stories to a conclusion about me, is your problem not mine.
For all your bullshit over the years, your hypocrisy is on full and clear display right now. For all your "raping children" hypotheticals over the years, you now stay silent as thousands of young girls get rapes and all too often see the "justice system" blame them, or let their rapists off with minimum sentences.
Feel free to keep up the cowardly hiding behind straw men, and ad hom attacks, it's simply what I've come to expect from you.
Craig, tell me: What's the point of you choosing to point to crime stories when it's immigrants or people of color? Stories from spread around the world that I'm generally not familiar with?
1. Is it to suggest that I should know about all the crimes being done and condemn them individually? Well, I can't, being finite and all, and neither can you, so that can't be the point, right?
2. Is it to suggest that immigrants in the US commit more rapes than other people? I don't believe that's the case and I certainly don't know that it's the case.
3. Is it to suggest that immigrants in Europe are more likely to rape people? Again, I'm not familiar with the data to know that so I'm not going to make that (frankly, rather racist/Islamophobic/xenophobic suggestion) conclusion.
WHAT are you trying to suggest and WHY do you think it's important that I speak out on all sex crimes (the ones you point out, that is, not the ones committed by conservative men and their women allies)?
You DO recognize that you don't condemn all rapes and no one expects you to do so on ones you're not familiar with, right?
This is a strange line of posts and comments you keep making, as if by NOT addressing ones you choose to point out that somehow that means I'm not TRULY opposed to all sex crimes (no matter how many times I point out that I am).
Again, I'M not the one who voted for a man found liable of sexual assault, that's you. You can know I wouldn't do that because I'm consistently opposed to sexual assault.
Oh NO, this is going on RIGHT NOW, and Craig is not speaking up against the atrocities being committed by ICE. Craig's silence means he's okay with the "oppression culture" in ICE.
Damn, Craig. Why do you not care about human rights abuses?
"A new report has found
hundreds of reported cases of human rights abuses
in US immigration detention centers...."
And yet, Craig remains silent, meaning he's cool with it.
"The alleged abuses uncovered include
deaths in custody,
physical and sexual abuse of detainees,
mistreatment of pregnant women and children,
inadequate medical care,
overcrowding and unsanitary living conditions," etc, etc
And yet, Craig cowardly remains silent.
"The report, compiled by the office of Senator Jon Ossoff, a Democrat representing Georgia, noted it found
510 credible reports of human rights abuses
since 20 January 2025."
and Craig's silence says it all. You speak out against Clinton's alleged misdeeds but remain silent on Trump's being found LIABLE for sexual assault. You even VOTED for him after that. AND after him bragging and laughing about sexual assault and abusing girls by his abuse of power and privilege.
Look, I will NOT be commenting on EVERY evil-doer, any more than you are. But to choose some arbitrary non-politician like Weinstein deviant WHILE remaining silent, defending and even voting for TRUMP truly does say it all.
You will NOT condemn wrongdoing as we can see by your SUPPORT of the actual sexual predator. You support him when you defend him. You support him when you downplay his crimes. You support him when you vote for him. over and over again.
Me, on the other hand, if you want to know what I think about Weinstein, you already KNOW because I'm opposed to sexual predators. Period. And when you ask me about a case of some man in Pennsylvania whom I've never heard of and say, "Here's an article showing how he was convicted of rape." I can respond, "Well, of course, that's a great evil. Lock him up." But there IS NO DOUBT about what I'll say because I'm consistent.
I will not jump through your asinine, graceless, diabolical little hoops to convince you of what's obvious: that I'm consistently opposed to sexual predators. What was it Jesus said to his pharisees who were trying to entrap him with their nonsense questions?
Then neither will I answer YOUR question.
In my case, I won't answer it because it's already BEEN answered.
Stop it. Be a better man, son. History will judge you all harshly.
Oh look, another GOP leader convicted of traveling abroad to abuse children.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-north-dakota-state-senator-sentenced-10-years-imprisonment-traveling-prague-engage
And still, Craig remains silent, indicating that he really just doesn't care about child rape. How awful that Craig indicates his support by his silence!
For once, a reasonably good question.
The point of highlighting the massive increase of rape (child rape in particular) in Europe is to look at one metric of a policy of unfettered, unlimited, immigration.
The simple reality is that the governments of Europe have had an immigration policy in place for quite some time, and it's reasonable to look at the results of that policy. Especially as those results might be a way to evaluate immigration policy in the US. The simple fact is that the data clearly shows that the increase in crime (especially rape) is virtually entirely due to immigrants. We clearly see a decline in quality of life in these countries, as well as other negative effects. We see data that tells us that these immigrants have a significant negative economic impact as well.
At the same time we see various national governments actively suppressing the very mention of this data, a de facto two tiered "justice system", and things like the right to free speech being curtailed when it comes to certain topics.
The fact that I focus on the rape situation is simple. For years "raping babies" has been one of your go-to examples of heinous behavior and I want to see how consistent you really are. Clearly, not very. Of late you've been bitching about "rape culture", while ignoring a culture that literally accepts rape of children and infidels as normal. You've been harping on your "moral consensus" hunches for a while as well, yet when faced with a culture that accepts rape as normal behavior, you stay silent.
In short, the situation in Europe (and in MN) is an excellent example of the results of the policies you advocate and the reality of the demographic groups you champion.
1. No, I've already answered this and you're an idiot to ask again.
2. No, it's to suggest that if we look at the DATA from Europe that we might do well to rethink our policies around immigration and justice before we end up in the same situation.
3. I'm suggesting that a cursory look at both the news reported by the MSM and the crime DATA tells a story that we should pay attention to.
That you've chosen to ignore the MSM reports and the DATA, is your problem.
WHAT are you trying to suggest by lying and putting words in my mouth?
I do regularly speak out about all sorts of crimes committed by "conservatives", too bad you don't do the same when it comes to those on the left or the results of left wing policies.
You do realize that I'm not asking you to speak out on "all rapes", don't you? You do realize that I'm suggesting that the rape data, the two tiered "justice system" that we're seeing in Europe and the US, the suppression of free speech, and the negative financial impacts are all the results of policies that the left has implemented and that you support.
The thing that's strange about this line of posts is your complete and utter inability to acknowledge the reality, look at the MSM reports and the DATA, and express even the tiniest bit of concern for the victims or for the fact that we are seeing a "justice system" which has different standards for different groups of people.
Questions that must be answered in your next comment.
1. It is justice or acceptable that an immigrant who's lived in a country for over a decade should get a reduced sentence for rape (or any crime) because they didn't know that raping children is frowned upon in Western culture?
2. It it justice when a major MSM outler refers to those who raped a 12 year old as her "lovers"?
3. Do you believe that immigrants should be held accountable to the laws and justice system of the countries they immigrate to?
4. Do you agree that any culture that accepts rape as a normal part of their culture, especially rape of children or those outside of that culture is evil and should not be allowed to spread that culture?
I'll have to hand it to you, your excuses for ignoring the crisis in Europe (showing up in the US as well) are creative. Your choice to go on the offensive use straw men and ad hom attacks, and avoid the reality by any means necessary are impressive.
That you can't simply say that what is happening in Europe is horrible and that we should do anything within our power to prevent something similar to happen in the US, speaks volumes for your moral hunches.
That you've chosen to ignore the MSM reports and the DATA, is your problem.
WHAT are you trying to suggest by lying and putting words in my mouth?
I do regularly speak out about all sorts of crimes committed by "conservatives", too bad you don't do the same when it comes to those on the left or the results of left wing policies.
You do realize that I'm not asking you to speak out on "all rapes", don't you? You do realize that I'm suggesting that the rape data, the two tiered "justice system" that we're seeing in Europe and the US, the suppression of free speech, and the negative financial impacts are all the results of policies that the left has implemented and that you support.
The thing that's strange about this line of posts is your complete and utter inability to acknowledge the reality, look at the MSM reports and the DATA, and express even the tiniest bit of concern for the victims or for the fact that we are seeing a "justice system" which has different standards for different groups of people.
Questions that must be answered in your next comment.
1. It is justice or acceptable that an immigrant who's lived in a country for over a decade should get a reduced sentence for rape (or any crime) because they didn't know that raping children is frowned upon in Western culture?
2. It it justice when a major MSM outler refers to those who raped a 12 year old as her "lovers"?
3. Do you believe that immigrants should be held accountable to the laws and justice system of the countries they immigrate to?
4. Do you agree that any culture that accepts rape as a normal part of their culture, especially rape of children or those outside of that culture is evil and should not be allowed to spread that culture?
I'll have to hand it to you, your excuses for ignoring the crisis in Europe (showing up in the US as well) are creative. Your choice to go on the offensive use straw men and ad hom attacks, and avoid the reality by any means necessary are impressive.
That you can't simply say that what is happening in Europe is horrible and that we should do anything within our power to prevent something similar to happen in the US, speaks volumes for your moral hunches.
Craig:
Questions that must be answered in your next comment.
1. It is justice or acceptable that an immigrant who's lived in a country for over a decade should get a reduced sentence for rape (or any crime) because they didn't know that raping children is frowned upon in Western culture?
No.
2. It it justice when a major MSM outler refers to those who raped a 12 year old as her "lovers"?
I don't know what an "MSM outler" is, but regardless, No.
3. Do you believe that immigrants should be held accountable to the laws and justice system of the countries they immigrate to?
Only when the laws and justice system are reasonable and reasonably moral. That is, I do NOT believe that gay men should be placed in prison for being gay as happens in some nations where that is the law. Bad laws need to be broken and resisted.
But reasonable laws - laws that are designed to prevent harm? Yes, people who violate them should be held accountable.
And I'll go further: EVEN IF there are no laws against rape or slavery, for instance, people should STILL be held accountable in some manner.
4. Do you agree that any culture that accepts rape as a normal part of their culture, especially rape of children or those outside of that culture is evil and should not be allowed to spread that culture?
Yes.
For instance, when people like many conservative religionists defend literal understandings of biblical texts where "god" commands rape and you all want to take that literally and say, "Yes, sometimes God commands rape and slavery..." THAT is an evil culture... a culture that is actively promoting and defending obvious harm.
See how easy it is to directly answer questions?
Well done, your ability to divert attention away from your own failings is impressive as usual.
You're right, I'm not going to comment on gossip and rumors spread by someone with a partisan axe to grind.
I will point out that I have previously posted and criticized the actions reported regarding conditions in detention facilities.
It's strange that you throw out gossip and rumors (while excoriating me for allegedly doing what you're doing now), but you ignore an actual court case in MN, which I posted about.
A wonderful, loving, family man (according the the mosque who supported him and advocated on his behalf) was convicted of kidnapping and raping a young girl (I believe 12) recently. He intentionally waited until her mother left her alone, went back, kidnapped and raped her. His excuse was that (after 19 years) he didn't know that US culture frowned on raping 12 year olds. The judge gave him the lightest sentence possible, in part due to the glowing letter of recommendation of a mosque.
MANDATORY QUESTIONS
Do you not agree that anyone who rapes a 12 year old forfeits the right to be lauded as a good person and family man?
Do you not agree that for a house of worship to advocate for this guy to get off is unconscionable?
Do you not agree that the victim in this case was denied their full measure of justice?
Do you not agree that it is blatantly absurd to claim that after 19 years in a culture that you are unaware that raping children is bad?
History is an inanimate, non sentient, concept and lacks the ability to judge. If it was, however, I suspect that history will judge those who implemented the policies that led to an exponential increase in rape (especially of children), a "justice system" that is openly favoring people based on their demographic, and the removal of free speech rights, harshly as well.
Your monomaniacal obsession with making every conversation about either Trump or gay sex is freaking annoying. Try to get some new material.
The fact that you apparently have time to troll Google to find obscure politicians who've committed sex crimes instead of reading the sources you demanded multiple posts ago and commenting on those is curious. It's almost like you know what the DATA, and the MSM says about the "rape culture" sweeping Europe and as desperate to try to divert attention from the results of policies you generally support, demographic groups you lionize, and your incoherent moral hunches.
The double standard is strong with this one, unfortunately it's getting buried in the bullshit.
ONE LAST MANDATORY QUESTION
Is it appropriate to have different standards of justice for different demographic groups, or to punish people for free speech?
Craig said, without support:
he point of highlighting the massive increase of rape (child rape in particular) in Europe is to look at one metric of a policy of unfettered, unlimited, immigration.
And that is why I don't comment on your links: I do not know that you're accurately representing the reality of it all. I read frequently that racists and xenophobes in Europe are making this claim, but the actual data does not appear to be that clear cut.
https://voxeurop.eu/en/migration-sexual-violence-correlation/
And I don't have time right now to look into what's happening over there further. What I DO know as a fact:
White men have long argued that "immigrants" and people of color are coming to "rape our women." It's an established and long-historied racist trope. Without knowing more data, I'm simply not trusting that you are rightly reporting or understanding the data.
Sorry, but that I don't trust conservatives when they share links and say, "SEE?!" is a result of so much conservative misinformation over the years. You'll have to get over that lack of trust and maybe do something about it.
A bit on the long history of rape charge allegations against people of color:
https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-long-history-of-the-rhetoric-around-rape-and-race/
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-repeated-use-mexican-rapist-trope-old-racist-colonialism-ncna863451
etc.
Can you understand how, knowing that history, a reasonable adult would be wary of getting information from "some white guy on the internet" and taking his conclusions as trustworthy and reliable?
"outlet".
1. Good answer, yet you fail to condemn it when it is happening.
2. Again, right answer. Yet you continue to revere the MSM as your source of Truth. Despite crap like this.
3. You just couldn't keep it up, could you.
FYI, If an immigrant CHOOSES to immigrate to a country where it's illegal to be gay, then are not they responsible for the consequences of their choice? (I don't agree with those laws) But the reality is that if you knowingly violate a law, regardless of your opinion of that law, you're likely to have to deal with the consequences of your choice.
4. Again, you just can't help yourself. You can't differentiate between a conclusion about something that happened thousands of years ago, with something that is actually happening in 2025. Your panties are in a wad over ancient history, but you're totally silent on current affairs.
I'm aware of how easy it is, I do it all the time. Maybe now that you understand how easy it is you'll do it more frequently.
I'll note that you gave the "right" answers, but seem more concerned with answering a few questions than with the moral evil that is widespread in Europe.
Dan doesn't read anything we provide to answer his demands anyway. At best, he does a cursory skimming in order to better reject that which he can't legitimately rebut.
"And that is why I don't comment on your links:"
Strange excuse to ignore evil. You demand that I spoon feed you only news reports from the MSM, which I do. Further, I provide you with the raw EU (you do know what EU stands for, don't you?) and a third party aggregation of the DATA which you ignore. Now you pull out this bullshit excuse, yet have ignored the DATA I've provided, and the MSM sources you demand because you blame me for "not accurately reporting the DATA". I freaking gave you the RAW DATA (no reporting) I freaking gave you the MSM REPORTS you demanded. It's NOT ME REPORTING it's your revered MSM, and the EU.
Now you're going to claim that the MSM you revere is "racist" for reporting facts, and the the EU is "racist" for reporting the data. When you play the "racist" card, it means you've simply given up on actually dealing with the data.
I provide the RAW DATA, and MSM story after MSM story, you provide one link to one biased source as if that settles it.
You have enough time for this bullshit obfuscation and diversion, but don't have enough time or give enough of a shit about rape victims to bother learning the facts.
You're content to blather about past "racism" and make excuses while children are being systematically raped.
Screw you. You are a cowardly hypocrite who doesn't have the courage to face the reality of what liberal immigration policies, and a corrupt "justice" system have done in Europe and advocate for those policies in the US.
If you expect me to deal with that bullshit, then you first need to deal with every single MSM, EU, and Statista link I've provide and explain how every one of them fits your bullshit "racism" narrative.
Dan crows about how easy it is to answer questions, then ignores clearly labeled mandatory questions. (As of 10:25 AM CDT)
Depending on how far you want to go back, I've provided well over 50 MSM news stories as well as multiple links to raw data which Dan has ignored. I suspect that he knows that actually looking at the data will put him in a difficult position with regrd to his narratives about immigration, justice, and the ROP, so he realizes that all he has is to spew bullshit, obfuscate, throw out straw man, and engage in ad hom attacks. That he's left to pretend that events thousands of years ago excuse his heartless dismissal of the results of liberal political and social policy is simply an expression of his desperation to avoid reality.
Craig asked questions with obvious answers. Here they are:
Do you not agree that anyone who rapes a 12 year old forfeits the right to be lauded as a good person and family man?
I agree that a child rapist is not a good person or family man and should not be lauded as such.
Do you agree that Trump who has boasted about sexual assault and abusing power to sexually harass (ogling) half-naked teen-aged girls, and who has been found liable of sexual assault in a court of law should not be lauded as a good man? Should not be in a position of power or receive the vote of good people?
Do you not agree that for a house of worship to advocate for this guy to get off is unconscionable?
Yes. (I mean, saying, "We knew him growing up and he was such a good man then... we can't reconcile that young man with this awful sexual predator!" kind of thing, which is not advocating).
Do you agree that churches, Christians and preachers who say that Trump is a good man and Christian and we should vote for him is unconscionable?
Do you not agree that the victim in this case was denied their full measure of justice?
I don't know the details in this case. If they are as you present it (doubtful) then Yes.
Do you not agree that it is blatantly absurd to claim that after 19 years in a culture that you are unaware that raping children is bad?
Yes.
Do you not agree that it is blatantly absurd to say that a man - an established serial cheater and smarmy/creepy sexual predator type with over 20 rape allegations against him and a court finding of liable in a sexual assault case... one who boasted about getting away with sexual assault (ALL facts) - is fit to be president?
Is it appropriate to have different standards of justice for different demographic groups, or to punish people for free speech?
No. No (free speech). With the rational caveat that it IS appropriate to hold people accountable for what they say in their free speech. IF Business X came out with a blatantly sexist or racist ad campaign, saying "We don't want no ***** coming into our stores! They're evil!" THEN "punishing them" or holding them accountable by saying, "Well, I certainly won't be shopping there any more!" is appropriate and a morally wise step.
Do you disagree?
And if it's against the law to deny access to a public store to people based on race, then holding them accountable for that crime is morally reasonable.
Do you disagree?
Free speech does not equal "free speech... with NO accountability!"
Right?
See how easy it is to directly and clearly answer questions?
Why don't you try?
Craig...
I've provided well over 50 MSM news stories as well as multiple links to raw data which Dan has ignored.
A random unknown white conservative guy posts over "50 MSM news stories" on a variety of unknown topics and in a context where said white man was making some vague conclusion and people don't jump on it to read it/them...? How is that possible?
Question: Why would I?
Is it possible that you think rational, busy adults should stop what they're doing and follow your unknown links (regarding APFL and RTK and DLGB and other strange and unknown acronyms) with vague hints of some perhaps slightly racist conclusion? And that such a supposition on your part is just not reasonable?
Yet you remain silent as a child rapist IS labeled as a "family man" and allowed to get a more lenient sentence.
I've never, ever, lauded Trump as a "good man" and would not encourage others to do so. In the last election I was faced with the choice between two people who were not "good men" (primarily referring to Biden, but Harris was also not "good"), I was put in a position to vote for the not "good" man who I believed would be less bad for our country. Strangely enough, you were faced with the same choice between two candidates who were not "good" and you chose using the exact same criteria I did. But I've given you this answer multiple times, please stop asking. You're just recycling crap that you have the answer for because you don't like having to answer questions.
In the absence of any evidence of a church calling Trump a "good man", I'll respond to actual examples, as my question was based on an actual example not a hypothetical.
If you don't "know the details in this case" it's because you intentionally not to click on the links to news sources that covered it. That you choose to assume something not proven as your excuse is indicative of your low character and incoherent moral code.
The constitution determines what qualifications make someone "fit" to be president. Unless you can demonstrate that Trump doesn't meet the constitutional qualifications, the facts speak for themselves. That you personally don't like Trump or what he's (allegedly) done has no bearing on his fitness to be president. It's hilarious that you think that asking questions over and over again is some big win for you, when it just demonstrates your inability or unwillingness to pay attention.
Idiocy. I'm not advocating for unlimited speech, clearly there are some limits.
So let's be specific.
Is it "just" for someone to be arrested for silently praying near an abortion clinic?
Is it "just" for someone to be arrested for standing outside of an embassy (on public propterty) carrying a blank sign?
Is it "just" for someone being arrested for publicly disseminating accurate data, complied and released by the a government?
Hopefully this'll bring you back from your break from reality.
Your "access to a store" question lacks enough context to answer. In the interest of specificity, I'll wait for you to try again.
Where have I said that there is no accountability for engaging in speech that is illegal?
The question is whether or not it is proper for the government of a "free" country to inconsistently prosecute speech.
Is it free speech to advocate for genocide?
I do it regularly, it's not hard. Which makes me wonder why you don't do it more often, and why you brag about it when you do occasionally answer questions.
Strangely enough, if I took your answers at face value I'd assume that much of the examples of these behaviors I've linked to would stir up some of your "righteous anger", instead you just offer excuses to hide from reality.
I'm going to note that there are likely questions Dan hasn't answered yet. I'm not motivated enough to look. But, I predict that Dan will claim that I haven't answered the idiotic questions I've answered multiple times and will use my explanation regarding his lack of detail as an excuse to bitch that I don't ever answer any of his questions.
It's possible because you are scared that those stories, published by the very MSM sources (as well as raw government DATA) will show you things you are hiding from. You demand that I provide DATA from only the sources that meet your arbitrary, random standards of "real journalism", I do and you make excuses for not reading ANY of them. I provide you raw EU DATA, as well as a third party aggregation (one you've referenced before) of the government DATA, and you don't even bother to make excuses for why you ignore it.
Why should you? Because YOU FUCKING DEMANDED IT. I gave you what you demanded and you pull this bullshit. You are a hypocrite and a coward who hides from the very "journalism" you claim to revere.
If you are not going to pay attention to what you demand I provide you, then stop demanding it and admit that you just don't give a shit.
When that irrational idiot is the one who demanded these sources, then yes. Absolutely you should take the time to read what you demand I provide. It's not my fault that your goldfish memory can't keep track of a few acronyms I use regularly and have defined multiple times.
When you jump to conclusions without examine the DATA, and immediately go to "RACISM" you reinforce my conclusion that the Reason, rationality, moral code, grace, and "good works" you so often brag about are simply bullshit.
The only "supposition" I might have is that you would actually acknowledge that I provided exactly what you demanded I provide and actually read the information you demanded.
If all you have is more of these idiotic, bullshit, excuses and straw men, don't waste my time. That you can't muster up the tiniest bit of acknowledgement, let alone sympathy or support for thousands of raped children just shows that your moral code is so corrupted by partisanship as to be less than worthless.
Before you start. I'm not angry. I'm disgusted, appalled, and in disbelief that someone who advocates for a moral code based on not harming people and who claims to care for the "least of these" would so callously sit in silence as children suffer due to political policies you support.
Your problem is that your oppressor/oppressed worldview has no coherent way to deal with the situations where the "oppressed" are simply horribly, vile people bent on inflicting harm because their culture tells them that women who aren't in their culture have no value and are there to be used sexually.
Dan,
My disgust for your gracelessness and callous attitude towards those victimized in Europe and right here in MPLS is increasing.
So, the only thing I want from you on this thread is clarification of the one question that was too vague to answer, actual interaction with the news stories and DATA, and answers to the questions you haven't answered.
Answers will be brief (yes/no) if possible, with no extraneous bullshit. Any comment on this post that doesn't meet this standard will be aborted. I'll not waste my time editing out your extraneous bullshit. It's pretty simple. If it's time stamped after 11:50 CDT, these standards apply.
Oh, don't bother trying to post your comments elsewhere, they'll be aborted as well.
Dan, do you think it is okay to be jailed for burning a copy of the Qur'an?
Good question. I'd add the following.
Do you think it's acceptable to burn a Bible?
Do you think it's acceptable to burn a US flag?
Dan,
I was probably too quick on the trigger, but one down an done to go.
The answer you seek lies in my comments where I was answering your questions. I know you probably didn't bother to read or pay attention, but you'll need to now. You asked a question which was much to lacking in details for me to answer. Instead of answering that question, I responded that I needed more details and asked that you reformulate with more details. As I answered all of your other questions, I'd like to finish the job if you'll provide the details you didn't.
I have faith in you that despite your business, lack of short term memory, and your mortality that you can find this information all by yourself.
Again, I'm confused. Do you want me to answer these questions y'all are asking???
If you'd been reading my words over the years, you'd know my answers. They're the obvious answers of any morally rational, freedom-loving people.
do you think it is okay to be jailed for burning a copy of the Qur'an?
No.
Do you think it's acceptable to burn a Bible?
It's not illegal and one shouldn't be jailed for it.
Acceptable?
I hate to see any good book burned, so, No. (It's depends on what you mean by Acceptable.)
Do you think it's acceptable to burn a US flag?
Yes.
Did you not know my answers?
What are your answers to your own questions. ?
Dan,
Two down. When your comments are in moderation, they're merely a clump of letters, words, and punctuation. In essence, they're potential comments waiting to come to full term. As it's my blog, my choice, I choose to abort these potential comments because I can.
It's not like there's anything wrong with abortion, right?
You may consider Glenn's and my questions as mandatory questions as well, in addition to providing more detail about your vague and nonspecific question from earlier.
Yes, you are expected to answer questions.
So, is it safe to say that you would acknowledge that in the case noted in the BBC article below that you agree that the UK justice system failed to actual;ly dispense justice?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9v4e0z9r8o
Likewise would you agree that these people should not have been charged?
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/crime/2017/08/24/bible-burning-case-second-teen-charged/597588001/
I mean is burning any religious text acceptable or legal in any circumstance?
If I assume that I knew your answers, you'd bitch about that.
If I ask the questions to allow you to provide your answers you bitch because I should magical know your answers.
No, No,No,No (although it is legal).
4 comments, 4 more abortions.
I'll acknowledge that Dan has FINALLY deigned to actually invest a few minutes of time to read some of the actual news reporting I've cited, which is good.
Of course, he then just makes excuse after excuse as to why it's perfectly acceptable to remain silent on the epidemic of child rape (rape in general) across Europe.
His excuses are pretty much his greatest hits. Too busy, doesn't live in or care about Europe (although he doesn't live in Gaza either), not enough time, finite human, blah, blah, blah.
I'll simply note that these individual cases and the hundreds/thousands of others, along with the overwhelmingly large increases in crime/rape across the EU are pointing to a larger issue. Dan's big on focusing on trees and ignoring forests.
The larger issues are as follows.
The massive influx of unvetted immigrants to Europe has led to various negative consequences.
a) Crime has skyrocketed, with rape being a particularly heinous example. Although the new initiative in London to reduce theft involves lines on the sidewalk to designate the "theft zones".
b) Housing is increasingly unavailable and expensive as immigrants are provide with free housing which reduces the available housing stock.
c) The data is clear that the immigrants in Europe have had a negative economic impact across the board.
d) There has been a significant rise in attempts to overthrow European culture and replace Western culture with Islamic culture and law. It's pretty brazen.
e) We are seeing a two-tiered "justice system" where criminals of certain demographics either get a free pass, or minimal punishment, while other demographics are treated to harsher punishment for lesser offenses. In short, they've acknowledge that they risk a violent uprising if they actually enforce the law equally.
Where this relates to the good old USA is that Dan and his ilk, want to implement the very policies that Europe has in regard to immigration. Except, they prefer to ignore the results of those policies and the fact that we are already seeing the beginnings of similar results here.
The rapes/child rapes are merely the most heinous of the crimes being committed and given Dan's moral hunches about reducing harm, you'd think these would generate a bit of his "righteous anger". Instead we get avoidance, excuses, and equivocation.
I understand why he's reacting the way he is. I just appreciate him making my point so willingly.
The only things harvested from the aborted comments are some questions, as Dan is obsessed with asking questions, while answering as few as possible. Between that and his straw man (Craig never answers any of my questions), I'll answer these in the hopes that he'll shut up and answer the unasked questions.
"Can you acknowledge that it is an evil slander to say someone is "remaining completely silent" about stories (story) that they have no reason to know about?"
No. Because the only reason you "don't know" is that you've chosen to ignore the evidence I've been writing posts about for months. I can't help but think that this is one more example of how you silo yourself off in your little world of make believe so that you can use the "I don't know" excuse when confronted with things that don't fit your Narrative.
"And that people of good faith - including many decent conservatives - find the KNOWN FACTS of Trump's vulgar, predatory life are reasonably concerned about him being in any position of power?"
Sure. Can you acknowledge that others of equally good faith find the KNOWS FACTS about Biden and Harris and their corruption, incompetency, and dishonesty concerning enough that they were compelled to vote for an imperfect candidate to prevent another 4 years of bad economic policy and unchecked immigration? Can you also acknowledge that the opinions of those people on both sides, no matter how good faith they may be might not be a 100% accurate representation of reality?
"AND that comparing a known criminal and sexual predator to Biden, whom you merely disagree with and is not evil in the sense that sexual predators and convicted con artists?"
Given the official corruption, long history of lying, incompetence/mental decline, it's a bit more than "merely disagree with". The reality is that both candidates have significant "moral failures" in their "personal lives", and Biden has a track record of corruption and lying in his political life. Exactly as you did, when faced with two less than perfect candidates. We voted for the one who's policies were more aligned with our political convictions. Just like I've done in every election I voted in.
Of course I've addressed this so many times I've lost count and you continue to act as if I haven't.
Again, questions answered.
As you are incompetent and unable to find the vague question I asked for more detail about.
Here it is, it took me about 45 seconds to find.
Dan asked, "And if it's against the law to deny access to a public store to people based on race, then holding them accountable for that crime is morally reasonable. Do you disagree?".
I primarily don't understand what you mean by the term "public store". Even up here in the People's Republic our stores are privately owned by individuals or companies. (Except some city owned liqueur stores. Although it seems strange for cities to profit from catering to people's vices...).
I'm going to guess that you actually mean "stores that are open for the public to shop in", not "public stores".
I've written extensively on this elsewhere, but I'll try to summarize.
1. People who engage in illegal behavior should be held accountable.
2. People should have the legal right to restrict entry into private property which they legally own, rent, or lease.
3. I question the legality of government mandating how individuals run their privately owned businesses, yet realize that they are expected to follow the law.
4. I have no problem if a business owner chooses "civil disobedience" if they object to government intrusion.
5. I am in a profession where we have to follow strict requirements in this regard.
6. Any business owner who intentionally offends or excludes potential customers or clients has a bad business model and deserves whatever the consequences of that business model end up being.
Again, I've addressed this previously and had extended conversations about it. It's something where Art and I disagree somewhat.
Finally, I'll note that nowhere that I've seen have you expressed the slightest concern, sympathy, or empathy for the children who've been raped across Europe, primarily in the UK. Nor have you expressed outrage at the religious leaders who encourage and legitimize this behavior.
I know you're not a big fan of Leviticus and of taking Levitical prohibitions seriously, but would you not agree that Leviticus 19:15 is relevant and prescriptive even today?
Would you not agree that giving someone convicted of raping a child a lighter sentence than someone protesting the rape is a perversion of justice?
"Why do you keep asking questions about places I'm not from in stories I'm not familiar with the details on?"
1. Because we live in a world where information is available with incredible ease and what happens in places like Europe has ramifications in the US.
2. This is a straw man. If you aren't familiar with the details, it's because you choose not to be familiar. It's called a Google search. It's not like I'm demanding you go to a physical library and search their foreign newspaper archives.
3. It's as much about the trends and increase in this sort of violence.
4. As someone who's entire moral code is founded on not harming people, and who's obsessed with "justice" I'd think that stories of the least of these being horribly harmed and seeing justice perverted would rile up some of your "righteous anger". I guess I was wrong.
5. Your selective outrage and engagement with events outside of the US is well known. The situation in Europe doesn't fit your narrative, and isn't going to get covered in your silo. I'm broadening your horizons to injustice and harm in places you choose to ignore.
6. This pushes against your "oppressor/oppressed", "victim/victimizer" worldview in that it's the "oppressed" who are actually harming innocent victims. Strangely enough you default to language about how these "stories" somehow harm the "oppressed", as if being drugged and gang raped doesn't harm their victims.
7. It's an excellent way to measure your hypocrisy.
8. It's an excellent way to get a preview of what a couple of decades of unregulated, unfettered, unvetted, immigration looks like.
9. We're starting to see the exact same behavior spreading to the US. We just had (I've linked elsewhere) a case here in MN where a gentleman who immigrated to the US 19 years ago kidnapped and raped a 12 year old girl. He got the lightest possible sentence because he claimed that he wasn't aware that Western culture frowned on kidnapping and raping children. Despite the horrific nature of his crime he was lauded as a wonderful human being and a good "family man" who was just confused about the acceptability of child rape in the US.
In all seriousness, if there is a culture anywhere in the world which believes that it is perfectly acceptable to kidnap and rape girls, then no one from that culture should ever be allowed to immigrate to a western country.
Ultimately, what's happening in Europe is a result of liberal political policies around immigration and welfare. Policies which you (at least in a general sense) advocate for being enacted in the US. To some degree, this carnage is on the hands of anyone who supported or supports the European immigration policies.
What's awesome is that we actually have real time comparisons of the results of these policies. Poland, rapes down (like 52%), England and Wales (rapes up like 700%) over the last 20 years.
For someone who demands and seems to almost worship the almighty DATA, it's strange when you ignore DATA that doesn't align with your political views.
"If, on the other hand, you go out of your way to burn a copy of the Koran in a public place then it will be assumed that you are dong so purely to cause anger and outrage among any Muslims who see you doing this. It is the deliberate provocation that is illegal, not the burning of the book per se.""
This double standard is interesting to me. The expectation is that Christians will stand silently by as a crucifix is immersed in urine and called art, as people silently praying are arrested, as Bibles and other Christian symbols are defaced and destroyed, and when Churches are burned down. But Muslims, aren't held to the same standard. Don't offend Muslims by drawing a cartoon of Mo or defacing a Quran, because they'll destroy shit and kill people. It's hilarious to see you perpetrating this stereotype and excusing potential violence by Muslims.
"I tend to lean towards thinking that this action didn't reach the level of inciting violence/hatred."
Way to take a strong and principled, if mealy mouthed, stand there. Very brave.
"Do you agree with rules/laws against inciting violence?"
Sure, in a broad sense. Is calling for the destruction/overthrow of the US/UK/France/Canada/Israel "calling for violence"?
"Where do you draw the line?"
I draw the line at direct calls for specific actions.
"We plan to destroy or overthrow Canada." types of things. Standing outside of the Chinese embassy with a black sign, shouldn't result in arrest. Silently praying near an abortion clinic, shouldn't be a crime. Calling for genocide, sure.
Well, that's how he operates, Craig, as you well know. This lying fake Christian (is there any other kind?) accuses you and your sources as being racist because the perpetrators of rape happen to be dark-skinned. What a freaking libel! And this coming from the guy who wants us to believe she seeks to abide the Will of God!
"Do you agree that Trump who has boasted about sexual assault and abusing power to sexually harass (ogling) half-naked teen-aged girls, and who has been found liable of sexual assault in a court of law should not be lauded as a good man? Should not be in a position of power or receive the vote of good people?"
Dan lies and slanders again.
Dan won't burn a Bible, but he craps on it constantly.
And the true crazy marches on, with Dan in front of the parade in a skirt twirling her baton!
You continue to read and fail to understand. You continue to read "Dan thinks X" and conclude, "Dan must really think 12zab."
By burning a Bible in the USA, one is not inciting violence. Nor is burning a Qur'an in Islamic countries. In both places one is just expressing personal disgust of a Holy Book. One charged with burning a Qur'an is charged with destroying the book because the Muslims virtually worship that book and therefore are hating anyone doing so, ergo they make a law against burning the book with a totally unjust punishment.
I didn't abort this as it's instructive. Instead of answering unanswered questions, demonstrating that the news stories and sources are false, or doing anything constructive, Dan chimes in with this vague, nonspecific, general idiocy.
Glenn,
In theory I agree. I'd argue that burning a Bible on the pulpit in the middle of a church service might qualify as inciting violence.
Burning a Quran is 100% going to incite Muslims to violence when done in a western country, and is likely to result in severe punishment in a Muslim coutry.
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